Allegiant J/Ser UN-etiquette
11-22-2015, 11:08 AM
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Allegiant J/Ser UN-etiquette
A funny thing happened on the way home for the holidays, but "John" wasn't laughing. Maybe "Tammy" was.
This morning while many flight crews were trying to get home for the holidays a pilot sadly got ousted from a ride home by a morally bankrupt pilot from Allegiant airlines.
"John" works for an offline airline. He had been at the SAN airport since 0630. He followed protocol and was given the XX airline jumpseat to LAS one hour prior. The flight would depart on time at 0820.
Some time later, before the flight boarded "Tammy, an Allegiant pilot (also offline airline) came along and asked to list for the jumpseat. This particular aircraft only had one cockpit J/S so "Tammy" would need a seat to become available in the back. Sometimes this happens, so good that her information is in the system in case someone is a mis-connect on the flight.
"John" and "Tammy" had some time to chat and they were both aware that "John" was first to list and would have priority for the J/S if the flight was full.
"John" was in full uniform and hard to miss. He was also nearby the gate before and during the boarding process.
"Tammy" apparently used to work at XX airline before getting a pilot position with Allegiant Airlines.
For some reason, when the dust settled and the aircraft pushed, "Tammy" was in the J/S and "John" was left holding the proverbial bag.
XX airline Captain was earlier made aware that there were two pilots trying to get to LAS and that "John" was first in line.
XX Captain didn't like that the agent had given a J/S to the Allegiant pilot, the agent saying "John" was not at the gate so gave the seat to "Tammy".
XX Captain spoke with the gate agent about the mistake and asked him to fix it. The agent said you'll delay the flight.
Sadly with most airlines the Captain doesn't "control" any part of the aircraft until after the door is closed. Such was the case here and in the end the lack of integrity flaunted by "Tammy"was rewarded with her undermining J/S etiquette and thus she got a ride to LAS and "John" is still sitting in SAN.
Did I mention that today is traditionally the busiest travel day of the year. I would guess "Tammy" knows this and decided that by hook or by crook she was going to get a ride.
"Tammy" if you're reading this I ask that you resist the urge to undermine your fellow commuters in the future.
XX airline is very upstanding as are all the airlines we commute on. XX agents go above and beyond for us daily in our struggle to commute. One pilot and likely that one agent made a choice that wasn't fair. Thankfully it is very rare for something like this to occur.
This morning while many flight crews were trying to get home for the holidays a pilot sadly got ousted from a ride home by a morally bankrupt pilot from Allegiant airlines.
"John" works for an offline airline. He had been at the SAN airport since 0630. He followed protocol and was given the XX airline jumpseat to LAS one hour prior. The flight would depart on time at 0820.
Some time later, before the flight boarded "Tammy, an Allegiant pilot (also offline airline) came along and asked to list for the jumpseat. This particular aircraft only had one cockpit J/S so "Tammy" would need a seat to become available in the back. Sometimes this happens, so good that her information is in the system in case someone is a mis-connect on the flight.
"John" and "Tammy" had some time to chat and they were both aware that "John" was first to list and would have priority for the J/S if the flight was full.
"John" was in full uniform and hard to miss. He was also nearby the gate before and during the boarding process.
"Tammy" apparently used to work at XX airline before getting a pilot position with Allegiant Airlines.
For some reason, when the dust settled and the aircraft pushed, "Tammy" was in the J/S and "John" was left holding the proverbial bag.
XX airline Captain was earlier made aware that there were two pilots trying to get to LAS and that "John" was first in line.
XX Captain didn't like that the agent had given a J/S to the Allegiant pilot, the agent saying "John" was not at the gate so gave the seat to "Tammy".
XX Captain spoke with the gate agent about the mistake and asked him to fix it. The agent said you'll delay the flight.
Sadly with most airlines the Captain doesn't "control" any part of the aircraft until after the door is closed. Such was the case here and in the end the lack of integrity flaunted by "Tammy"was rewarded with her undermining J/S etiquette and thus she got a ride to LAS and "John" is still sitting in SAN.
Did I mention that today is traditionally the busiest travel day of the year. I would guess "Tammy" knows this and decided that by hook or by crook she was going to get a ride.
"Tammy" if you're reading this I ask that you resist the urge to undermine your fellow commuters in the future.
XX airline is very upstanding as are all the airlines we commute on. XX agents go above and beyond for us daily in our struggle to commute. One pilot and likely that one agent made a choice that wasn't fair. Thankfully it is very rare for something like this to occur.
11-22-2015, 11:19 AM
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I thought the busiest travel day of the year was sunday after thanksgiving...
&$@# Tammy
Lucy... youve got sum splaining to due
&$@# Tammy
Lucy... youve got sum splaining to due
11-22-2015, 11:30 AM
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This is only true if the CA allows it to be true. The gate agent can ***** and moan all he wants, and the CA might get a phone call (who cares?) if the plane pushes late because of the decision, but it's still his parking brake, and at least at my airline, the door doesn't close until the CA says it does.
11-22-2015, 12:11 PM
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Another option for the CA of the flight: deny "Tammy" the JS. Let's not forget that it is a privilege to JS and solely at the discretion of the CA. A complete disregard for proper etiquette by the JS'er is logical grounds to deny her a ride, even if the agent won't put the other guy on. She should not be rewarded for her lack of integrity.
11-22-2015, 12:32 PM
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Was Tammy hot? I can see taking a Tammy over a John 
11-22-2015, 12:57 PM
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A funny thing happened on the way home for the holidays, but "John" wasn't laughing. Maybe "Tammy" was.
This morning while many flight crews were trying to get home for the holidays a pilot sadly got ousted from a ride home by a morally bankrupt pilot from Allegiant airlines.
"John" works for an offline airline. He had been at the SAN airport since 0630. He followed protocol and was given the XX airline jumpseat to LAS one hour prior. The flight would depart on time at 0820.
Some time later, before the flight boarded "Tammy, an Allegiant pilot (also offline airline) came along and asked to list for the jumpseat. This particular aircraft only had one cockpit J/S so "Tammy" would need a seat to become available in the back. Sometimes this happens, so good that her information is in the system in case someone is a mis-connect on the flight.
"John" and "Tammy" had some time to chat and they were both aware that "John" was first to list and would have priority for the J/S if the flight was full.
"John" was in full uniform and hard to miss. He was also nearby the gate before and during the boarding process.
"Tammy" apparently used to work at XX airline before getting a pilot position with Allegiant Airlines.
For some reason, when the dust settled and the aircraft pushed, "Tammy" was in the J/S and "John" was left holding the proverbial bag.
XX airline Captain was earlier made aware that there were two pilots trying to get to LAS and that "John" was first in line.
XX Captain didn't like that the agent had given a J/S to the Allegiant pilot, the agent saying "John" was not at the gate so gave the seat to "Tammy".
XX Captain spoke with the gate agent about the mistake and asked him to fix it. The agent said you'll delay the flight.
Sadly with most airlines the Captain doesn't "control" any part of the aircraft until after the door is closed. Such was the case here and in the end the lack of integrity flaunted by "Tammy"was rewarded with her undermining J/S etiquette and thus she got a ride to LAS and "John" is still sitting in SAN.
Did I mention that today is traditionally the busiest travel day of the year. I would guess "Tammy" knows this and decided that by hook or by crook she was going to get a ride.
"Tammy" if you're reading this I ask that you resist the urge to undermine your fellow commuters in the future.
XX airline is very upstanding as are all the airlines we commute on. XX agents go above and beyond for us daily in our struggle to commute. One pilot and likely that one agent made a choice that wasn't fair. Thankfully it is very rare for something like this to occur.
This morning while many flight crews were trying to get home for the holidays a pilot sadly got ousted from a ride home by a morally bankrupt pilot from Allegiant airlines.
"John" works for an offline airline. He had been at the SAN airport since 0630. He followed protocol and was given the XX airline jumpseat to LAS one hour prior. The flight would depart on time at 0820.
Some time later, before the flight boarded "Tammy, an Allegiant pilot (also offline airline) came along and asked to list for the jumpseat. This particular aircraft only had one cockpit J/S so "Tammy" would need a seat to become available in the back. Sometimes this happens, so good that her information is in the system in case someone is a mis-connect on the flight.
"John" and "Tammy" had some time to chat and they were both aware that "John" was first to list and would have priority for the J/S if the flight was full.
"John" was in full uniform and hard to miss. He was also nearby the gate before and during the boarding process.
"Tammy" apparently used to work at XX airline before getting a pilot position with Allegiant Airlines.
For some reason, when the dust settled and the aircraft pushed, "Tammy" was in the J/S and "John" was left holding the proverbial bag.
XX airline Captain was earlier made aware that there were two pilots trying to get to LAS and that "John" was first in line.
XX Captain didn't like that the agent had given a J/S to the Allegiant pilot, the agent saying "John" was not at the gate so gave the seat to "Tammy".
XX Captain spoke with the gate agent about the mistake and asked him to fix it. The agent said you'll delay the flight.
Sadly with most airlines the Captain doesn't "control" any part of the aircraft until after the door is closed. Such was the case here and in the end the lack of integrity flaunted by "Tammy"was rewarded with her undermining J/S etiquette and thus she got a ride to LAS and "John" is still sitting in SAN.
Did I mention that today is traditionally the busiest travel day of the year. I would guess "Tammy" knows this and decided that by hook or by crook she was going to get a ride.
"Tammy" if you're reading this I ask that you resist the urge to undermine your fellow commuters in the future.
XX airline is very upstanding as are all the airlines we commute on. XX agents go above and beyond for us daily in our struggle to commute. One pilot and likely that one agent made a choice that wasn't fair. Thankfully it is very rare for something like this to occur.
Also, if you'd like to talk to someone who can actually help you, PM your number and I'll give you a call.
I understand that threads such as this may serve a limited purpose in that they are an example to others, but your post lacks the details to be of any real use and could potentially be mistaken for whining. There are channels to handle this sort of thing, and people who volunteer their time to help make prevent such occurrences from repeating themselves.
If you'd like something meaningful to be done about this, PM me.
11-22-2015, 01:16 PM
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As a person who has a lot of experience reading reports that tell an interesting story but skip over pertinent details by using phrases such as "when the dust settled," I have to ask for clarification.
Also, if you'd like to talk to someone who can actually help you, PM your number and I'll give you a call.
I understand that threads such as this may serve a limited purpose in that they are an example to others, but your post lacks the details to be of any real use and could potentially be mistaken for whining. There are channels to handle this sort of thing, and people who volunteer their time to help make prevent such occurrences from repeating themselves.
If you'd like something meaningful to be done about this, PM me.
Also, if you'd like to talk to someone who can actually help you, PM your number and I'll give you a call.
I understand that threads such as this may serve a limited purpose in that they are an example to others, but your post lacks the details to be of any real use and could potentially be mistaken for whining. There are channels to handle this sort of thing, and people who volunteer their time to help make prevent such occurrences from repeating themselves.
If you'd like something meaningful to be done about this, PM me.
Maybe it was a case of "Jack and Jill went up the hill, each with a buck and a quarter. Jill came down with two-fifty"
-Andrew Dice Clay-
Since EVRYONE here wants to jump to conclusions, who's to say that "Tammy" didn't want to be objectified to gain advantage?
To the OP, sweeeewwwt first post on APC, Happy Thanksgiving!!!!
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