biigD

Joke all you want, and obviously a line has to be drawn somewhere (I'm not saying I'd push 30 late!), but I was responding to the OP's comment that the plane is only the Captain's once the door is closed. I'm pushing back against that idea. If you want to just sit there in your seat and not pay any attention to what's going on around you until the agent closes the door, that's your prerogative. I just think that's a crappy thing to do to fellow pilots that might be trying to ride on your airplane.

Oh, and I'm in my 30s.

captjns

You're preaching to proverbial choir. You need to take this issue to your Chief Pilot who should then address the issue with the D/O. You all can guess how that would go at the biggies.

sandlapper223

You are correct. But you are young. You've got to live (and learn) a little. So preach this:

From our (ALPA) jumpseat guide - which by the way is not specific to ALPA but ALL 121 operators:

Captain's Role

In the United States, jumpseat authorization and admission to the flight deck is governed by federal aviation regulations (FARs), TSA security directives, and company policies. The captain is, and shall always be, the final authority over matters relating to admission to the flight deck.

FAR 91.3 (a) states, “The pilot-in-command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.”

FAR 121.535 (d) states, “Each pilot-in-command of an aircraft is,
during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.”

FAR 121.547 and 121.583 specify who may be admitted to the flight deck and set forth requirements for occupying a flight deck jumpseat.

"The PIC of the aircraft also serves as the In-Flight Security Coordinator (ISC) per TSA regulations. As a critical link in the security chain, captains have the responsibility to verify each jumpseater’s identity and authority to occupy a flight deck jumpseat. When a jumpseat request is made, whether for a seat in the cabin or in the flight deck, the PIC is responsible for performing (see your company procedures)."

So the whole "PIC isn't the PIC" until the door closes is a whole load of what the bird drops.

The PIC remains the PIC and works in conjunction with operations, the gate agents, and dispatch before the door closes. After that, then sure it's the PIC's airplane.