FBO Bum

Thanks for the insight. Well, I'm coming from the 135 world. There, you are expected to be the CA, FO, FA, baggage handler, dispatcher, WX man, fueler, etc. and the list goes on, so for me that's not a deal breaker but I definitely see what you mean and why it's a big deal.
Are there any improvements on the pipeline to mitigate the issue (I.e. Training their Distpach center). Thanks!!


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EATME

unfortunately it will take a catastrophic event followed by a name and ownership change ala valujet before there will ever be a change. it's the philosophy here.

HVYMETALDRVR

The company's operational procedures are designed specifically to put all liability on the pilots, FA's, and mechanics. That's why we have non standard aircraft with radically different cockpit configurations and little differences training, crappy software for scheduling and dispatch (scheduling mistakes, duty time/rest violations), poorly written and vague manuals, substandard bare min MX, terrible payroll software (the company has figured out a way to have pilots do payroll themselves) etc. Everything is designed to give the company the ability avoid as much liability as possible in the event of an accident.

There's a reason the Jetblue, DL, Atlas, American and even Spirit threads don't carry the anger this one does. No airline is perfect, but Allegiant doesn't even try to be.

Good luck in your decision.

MD80driver2day

Well, one of the IWA Captains showed up to work drunk.

Stok1

I'm not angry, just curious. Allegiant management making false statements and overseeing the falsification maintenance records for work not done, done improperly. Seriously when are some these dirt bags going to jail? FAA, POI listen up gents keep looking the other way.

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grnclvrs

Just got word about some recent "departures." Jesus F'n Christ guys, police yourselves a little bit. No need to make it easy for them.

j3cub

Been here close to 10 years. I've never had a dispatcher argue with me about adding fuel. It's actually kind of rare that I've ever HAD to add fuel. Lately it seems like dispatch has been adding MORE fuel than needed and has been more on the conservative side (i.e. alternates when not required, etc.).

I've never had MX control tell me NO when I needed MX in an outstation. I have had them try to apply an incorrect MEL a time or two, but I've always been backed up by the fleet mangers or chief pilots.

Bottom line is this place is far from perfect, but all the horror stories out there are not the daily thing. Or maybe I'm just lucky...

FBO Bum

Thank you for the different perspective J3cub. I know there is no such thing as a perfect airline and as long as these incidents are the exception and not the rule i'd be happy. Not sure how many of you have been in the 135 world but let me tell you, it's 10 times worst than the worst airline!

Stok1

Thats cool bro, sounds like you’ve really been around the block and back. Maybe when you get here, hopefully you will witness a few Allegiant management types being walked out in cuffs, right past your indoc class. For felonies ranging from falsification of maintenance records and making false statements to federal investigators.

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FBO Bum

Be that as it may, I still feel that it is a good place to get 121 experience and if problems persist move on. I don't need to "see" that happening for me to believe you, Allegiant is an ultra-low-cost-carrier man and you have to see it for what it is, not for what you would like it to be.

Case and point, I don't want to talk politics but our government has a lot of corrupt people in it and as a consequence the country is in the position that it is now, but you don't see many people emigrating because of this, on the contrary you see thousands of people migrating to the U.S. because in comparison it still is a great place to live.

Same with Allegiant, if what you are claiming is true, believe me when I tell you that they are not the only ones doing it and although I do not condone this kind of behavior it is just part of corporate America. I don't know if you work there or not, but if you do and you are not in agreement with how they are doing things then why stay?

Im not defending Allegiant, but every company has its problems man. They are a relatively young airline and as a result there are some "growing pains" that we all have to be able to accept to work there, and if you are not willing... then move on!!