Allegiant Air
11-13-2015, 08:22 PM
#641
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I certainly hope you guys get your issues settled with management. It's sad to see the abuse by incompetent managers go unchecked in this business. Too many lives are at stake for screw ups to be running an airline. It's a testament to your professionalism that no tragedies have occurred.
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They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.
11-13-2015, 09:23 PM
#642
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Why do you assume Mgmt is incompetent? From my view they know exactly what they are trying to do. Run an airline on a shoestring budget with little actual concern for safety.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.
11-13-2015, 09:48 PM
#643
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: B777/CA retired
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Why do you assume Mgmt is incompetent? From my view they know exactly what they are trying to do. Run an airline on a shoestring budget with little actual concern for safety.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.
They do this by keeping employees under the gun. If the pilots want a union then take hostages and make things so bad that a lacking mediocre contract seems good. Oh and the crappier it is causes more attrition so that longevity is kept low.
In the end Mgmt will cash out and the suckers(employees) will be left in the lurch.
11-14-2015, 01:55 AM
#644
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All they care about is making a buck, and keeping all the costs as low as possible. Maintenance, staffing, and scheduling software are important as long as it costs next to nothing.
I mean, even MG has said he's all for safety, but he's not going crazy with it. After all, he doesn't want it to be just another f'n airline....
I mean, even MG has said he's all for safety, but he's not going crazy with it. After all, he doesn't want it to be just another f'n airline....
11-14-2015, 05:29 AM
#645
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11-14-2015, 05:44 AM
#646
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11-14-2015, 05:50 AM
#647
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So the next poor guy who loses an engine that's on fire doesn't evac, for fear of losing his job. brings the plane to the gate for a "non event" just before the engine explodes burns the plane down kills x passengers and FA's in the back and the jetbridge goes up in flames...
Man, glad I didn't get the call to work there 9 years ago.
Stay safe out there. Between the TSA and Management, we're the only ones looking out for us.
11-14-2015, 05:56 AM
#648
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Management feels that any junior pilot, earning at the lower end of the pay chart, can fly their planes, so it is ok with them if pilots move on to another airline job after a short time working at Allegiant. Pilots with longer years of employment earn a higher salary, therefore they'd rather not have those pilots. Doing this keeps the company salary costs lower which increases company profits. As long as they have an ample supply of pilot job applicants they will keep this philosophy. Pilot retention is not something they work on, turnover works in their favor to lower operating costs. They do minimum training to get a new guy checked out and up to speed, then he's out there hauling passengers on their lucrative vacation routes. To management a pilot is just another company tool (asset), like a tow tractor or aircraft, to be used to earn the company money. And they strive to keep the cost of that tool as low as possible but still keep it functioning.
Not all of the Allegiant record profits comes from passengers spending money on low cost fares, inflight snacks and partnered hotel/rental car bookings. It is also comes from cost-cutting in the employee pay, benefit and retirement area.
Last edited by rokgpsman; 11-14-2015 at 06:11 AM.
11-14-2015, 06:21 AM
#649
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Agreed.
Management feels that any junior pilot, earning at the lower end of the pay chart, can fly their planes, so it is ok with them if pilots move on to another airline job after a short time working at Allegiant. Pilots with longer years of employment earn a higher salary, therefore they'd rather not have those pilots. Doing this keeps the company salary costs lower which increases company profits. As long as they have an ample supply of pilot job applicants they will keep this philosophy. Pilot retention is not something they work on, turnover works in their favor to lower operating costs. They do minimum training to get a new guy checked out and up to speed, then he's out there hauling passengers on their lucrative vacation routes. To management a pilot is just another company tool (asset), like a tow tractor or aircraft, to be used to earn the company money. And they strive to keep the cost of that tool as low as possible but still keep it functioning.
Not all of the Allegiant record profits comes from passengers spending money on low cost fares, inflight snacks and partnered hotel/rental car bookings. It is also comes from cost-cutting in the employee pay, benefit and retirement area.
Management feels that any junior pilot, earning at the lower end of the pay chart, can fly their planes, so it is ok with them if pilots move on to another airline job after a short time working at Allegiant. Pilots with longer years of employment earn a higher salary, therefore they'd rather not have those pilots. Doing this keeps the company salary costs lower which increases company profits. As long as they have an ample supply of pilot job applicants they will keep this philosophy. Pilot retention is not something they work on, turnover works in their favor to lower operating costs. They do minimum training to get a new guy checked out and up to speed, then he's out there hauling passengers on their lucrative vacation routes. To management a pilot is just another company tool (asset), like a tow tractor or aircraft, to be used to earn the company money. And they strive to keep the cost of that tool as low as possible but still keep it functioning.
Not all of the Allegiant record profits comes from passengers spending money on low cost fares, inflight snacks and partnered hotel/rental car bookings. It is also comes from cost-cutting in the employee pay, benefit and retirement area.
11-14-2015, 06:32 AM
#650
Swimmin' in da pool
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 444
ValuJet was working toward that title too. I can save money on my car by not servicing it or changing the tires. Works great for a while.
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