Stok1

As far as schedules the ultra senior may get the most days off, maybe between 13 and 14 days off approximately on average and that may vary. We use to have line bidding, which was at least predictable. Now we don't, so no way of telling what are typical schedules for better than 50 percent either side of the list. You need to simply plan for what your reality would probably be at present. Trying to predict that much more seniority is pointless, as you will not have those options. Trying to predict what our valiant negotiators are trying to get and what has been agreed upon, at this point is only known by those in the know.

The situation is fluid is a very accurate description on any and all improvements by any possible proposed contract, to which there is no clear indication of one anytime soon. You need to adjust for the current reality and nothing more. Minimum days off; 10 to 11 and sometimes less because we have no contract, no work rules. Everything is at will all the time. You will get Tuesday and Saturday off and that's about it. Expect to be on reserve any other day as filler. Now some may say they have or are getting a few more days off here and there; that would not be the norm.

Small bases, good luck with that. As a good example we had a GRR base a number of years back, management conned a few people into taking it and assured them that the base would be around for “a while”. They closed it almost as soon as they opened it, after many inquiries and assurances from management that they were good to go to buy houses and the like. And way too many other examples to list here for G4’s revolving base policy. I would only bet on the largest two; las and sfb. And when they decide to close it, you have till the end of the month to report to work, wherever that is, and don't be late. Are next closure will be the hnl base which g4 management rolled out with a lot of hoopla a few years ago, and got their a$$’s handed to them.

As far as logistics of the new hire experience just scroll back 10 to 15 pages. Make decisions on the reality of the situation now. For instance Frontier, Spirit and Sun Country are all hiring and have contracts that most assuredly in all aspects the current allegiant management wants no part of. Incidentally, Sun Country just signed their first contract with pay and work rules better than ours, which obviously isn't saying much, considering we don't have one at all and none on the horizon. Sun Country pay rates are better than g4’s across the board. Go to the next conference and seek those carriers out if this is the level of the industry you are targeting.

belliott

Looks like Sun Country did a couple flights for us tonight... SCX8654 MSO-LAS and SCX8668 BOI-LAS. Hard to believe we still don't have enough pilots/airframes to get the job done ourselves.

HVYMETALDRVR

First off, as a RSV pilot you'll only get 10 off, period. I mean I've heard of guys getting more sometimes, but it is VERY rare. It's not uncommon to have no open time on merlot and only one flight that day in base (normally a Tues or Sat) but the company will carry 3 reserves anyways. This is because they like to re-assign people to sit RSV out of base.

As for the line holders, it depends, but I would say more like 15-20% (so realistically top 2 or 3) that can consistently see more than 11 off per month, everyone else is hosed. It also depends upon the time of the year, you're not even allowed to take vacation time in March and April. Yes it is that bad.

I wouldn't recommend AVL at all, the pairings are terrible, and they have the most charter overnights now that ENV is closing. I wouldn't move there for this job as the above poster pointed out.

Sorry I know it's not what you want to hear. But it is what it is. And also as Stok posted, it's going to be awhile before a contract is agreed upon. Our management has made it abundantly clear they're ready to go to war. So if you do come here, do it because you accept the current situation. Not because the awesome contract we may or may not get in a couple years.

fredsmith999

This is exactly the kind of information I am looking for. thank you for all that have given your experiences, please continue to give more info, there are more than a few of us trying to make decisions on Allegient. So basically there is not existing contract, and nobody really knows what the unions proposal is for a new one, or managments response at this point? Thats how is sounds. Is there any expectation as far as work rules, ins, etc for a contract to be ratified?
, Fred

Bwipilot

It sounds like it won't get better until there is a true pilot shortage. Alas, the rumor of 67 is starting to rear it's ugly head. Just what we need--more zombies in the cockpit.

The FAA is willing to do anything to help management avoid paying good wages to the bottom of the industry and then wonder why no one is entering the career.

The Chow

Fred,

There's always a trade off here. If you want more days off, you'll have to work a lot of 4 leg days. The company builds the lines where everyone who holds a line has to hit XX hours.

Let's say you're SFB base and you're in the top 1/3 of FO's. December's bid just opened and you want 13+ days off. In the December bid the average line value will be 98 hours, with high lines being 103 and low lines say 88. If you want maximum days off you'll have to choose High, Medium, or Low for line value. Then you need to get to that specified number as soon as possible. So you can either bid for 4 leg days and hope you get them, or you can bid long trips like SFB-OMA.

This is how the system works regardless of your seniority. Now just for fun, we have 100% days which means no one in base will have that day off. The "system" will solve those days first, and then look at your bid. The only way to get a weekend off that isn't vacation, is to create a legality issue, such as 100 hours in 28 days.

Sorry for the long answer, but that's how it works here. Operational needs always come first. The company absolutely will not hire enough folks to cover the flying and increase the QOL.

fishforfun

Some of the best info right here. It seems to be more about understanding how the system processes the bids versus seniority. Still difficult to get more than 2 or maybe 3 off in a row and almost impossible if you are on the 80.

The actual schedules are posted ok the company website, G4 pilots dot com so you can see what real life is like.

HVYMETALDRVR

This is true. Keep in mind this is also on the AB, the good longer high credit stuff is going over to the AB, the -80 is getting more and more of the short legs as it's fuel and mx costs are higher. Just pray you get the AB.

FirstClass

That's just your opinion.

9easy

The bus may be an easier gig but the 80 will likely be a quicker upgrade.