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Old 10-25-2016, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by grnclvrs
I have to disagree. It was absolutely the intent of 117 for you to be able to fly one extension in a series of days in which you have not had a 30 hr rest period. How quickly we have all forgotten the six 16 hour days legal to start legal to finish that we were on the hook for before 117. Pt 117 is better than what we had but if you think it was written for our benefit and not the benefit of the operation, you're sadly mistaken.
You only get 1 extension in 168 hours though, I'd prefer to save my extension for my own personal needs like if I have somewhere to be the next day. Extensions are at the sole discretion of the crew member, PERIOD. You're welcome for the clarification Mr. Gust. Maybe Mesa will take you back when we rid ourselves of the risk you pose to us pilots.

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Old 10-25-2016, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
man, I had an awesome deal booked for my dad to Florida. But then I saw it was on Allegiant. Thanks but no thanks. Even your airbuses appear to be fodder for aircraft emergencies. Keyword that comes to mind when I see your planes is... retreat.

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Now that's funny.... Next time make it believable. You don't book an awesome deal to Florida only to find its on Allegiant unless you're on the Allegiant website. No booking agents....
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by N1sync
You only get 1 extension in 168 hours though, I'd prefer to save my extension for my own personal needs like if I have somewhere to be the next day. Extensions are at the sole discretion of the crew member, PERIOD. You're welcome for the clarification Mr. Gust. Maybe Mesa will take you back when we rid ourselves of the risk you pose to us pilots.

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At the end of the day, you're just peeing (pi**ing is edited) in the wind man. Do what you need to do... when you need to do it.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by N1sync
You only get 1 extension in 168 hours though, I'd prefer to save my extension for my own personal needs like if I have somewhere to be the next day. Extensions are at the sole discretion of the crew member, PERIOD. You're welcome for the clarification Mr. Gust. Maybe Mesa will take you back when we rid ourselves of the risk you pose to us pilots.

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The way I interpret the vague 117 rules is that the only reason you don't extend is if you are fatigued. Yes it is your discretion but the decision is whether your are fatigued or not. So you have been leaving 170 people stranded in the hotel because you want to strategically save your extension just in case you need one later in the week before your day off even though you aren't fatigued? The odds of needing 2 extensions in the same week is rare anyways. I've only had 2 total extensions come up since 117 went into effect.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by N1sync
You only get 1 extension in 168 hours though, I'd prefer to save my extension for my own personal needs like if I have somewhere to be the next day. Extensions are at the sole discretion of the crew member, PERIOD. You're welcome for the clarification Mr. Gust. Maybe Mesa will take you back when we rid ourselves of the risk you pose to us pilots.

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Technically that only applies to extensions 31 minutes or greater.
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey
man, I had an awesome deal booked for my dad to Florida. But then I saw it was on Allegiant. Thanks but no thanks. Even your airbuses appear to be fodder for aircraft emergencies. Keyword that comes to mind when I see your planes is... retreat.

https://twitter.com/airsafetytweets/...96641281208320
I wonder if it was the same tail that popped a motor on a go around at IWA. Stuff happens, it just seems to happen a lot more at G4. Even the union and pilots agreed, until a contract was in place. Read back here and look at the comments. It's almost comical. Guys would come on here asking interview advice and they got "I hope your single engine skills are good" from many now defending the company. Or, "stay at your region, it's better there." Guess it's obvious what the price a pilot's integrity is at G4.

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Old 10-26-2016, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
I wonder if it was the same tail that popped a motor on a go around at IWA. Stuff happens, it just seems to happen a lot more at G4. Even the union and pilots agreed, until a contract was in place. Read back here and look at the comments. It's almost comical. Guys would come on here asking interview advice and they got "I hope your single engine skills are good" from many now defending the company. Or, "stay at your region, it's better there." Guess it's obvious what price a pilot at G4s integrity is.
Sure beats working for peanuts at a regional with an uncertain future, who is slave to a Legacy that treaties them like an abused child.
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Old 10-26-2016, 07:51 AM
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Sure beats working for peanuts at a regional with an uncertain future, who is slave to a Legacy that treaties them like an abused child.
And I agreed with that while I was at G4. But prior to the contract you wouldn't hear that.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:25 AM
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And I agreed with that while I was at G4. But prior to the contract you wouldn't hear that.
Easier to throw rocks after you've moved on eh? Sorta cowardly imo.
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Old 10-26-2016, 08:32 AM
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Easier to throw rocks after you've moved on eh? Sorta cowardly imo.
You are very wrong. I gave Allegiant a fair shake. Tried to point out areas of the contract that are behind LCC standard to those that didn't even read it and voted with my feet when the contract was signed. I was willing to go to battle with everyone that said we "should burn the place down." Staying and voting in a measly few dollars while the company does nothing about maintenance and reliability and now saying how great it is, that isn't cowardly, it's just plain lying.
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