Originally Posted by cheers1977

He makes some very good points. I went to one of the "big 4" last year and my QOL is many times better than it was when I was at G4 all because of the work rules. I would much rather drive to the airport once a week and get my flying done in 3 days than have to drive there everyday. But that's just me. Our pilots with a little better pay than your TA is offering are making 350k+ all because of work rules...

Originally Posted by Vegaspilot

TAFB is a bad benchmark to use. At G4 I get maybe 100-130 TAFB if I have a hard line. Sure I'm home every night, but with numerous single days off and no real big blocks of days off. Less days off in general. At a legacy (including SWA) you'll probably see 200-300 TAFB depending on your seniority and how well you bid. But if you can pull 3 day trips with 4-5 or more blocks of days off in between I'd argue your QOL is going to be better due to the quality and length of days you have off. Just because you're home every night doesn't mean you end up any less tired after working 2-3 days in a row and if you only have 1-2 days off you're just getting back to normal when you start again. I have a friend who's junior at SWA and he's already got a line for July with an awarded 19 days off. One block of 7 and the rest blocks of 4. He just showed me how he's modified it and now has 22 days off with more credit and bigger blocks of days off. We'll NEVER see that here regardless of your seniority. He's not even a year in yet!! So yes, if I can get that kind of schedule with a real CBA with work rules, but it means 3-4 day trips SIGN ME UP. And this is under their current CBA...imagine how bad it's going to blow ours out of the water when they get their next one.

So you can argue that this TA (sure to pass despite us no voters) is going to make G4 a career airline, but without solid work rules (which this TA sorely lacks) it really isn't going to be a good career airline. Pay rates are such a small part of the equation, yet it's all the masses here seem to be able to see. I've argued and discussed at length with numerous people the short falls this thing has and all I hear is "think of the money we are leaving on the table" or "well it's a good first contract". It should be a good contract period. So I'm done...if it passes it passes, that's what this pilot group wants. But God willing it won't be my CBA for long. Good luck guys, if I'm right with my feelings of this thing, in a few months when the reality of this contract sets in you're gonna need it.

Originally Posted by JustWatching

If you're getting single days off and you're not the junior person in base, you really need to watch the CBI videos because you're bidding incorrectly. Seriously.... If Vegas and many single days off. It's your fault. Watch those videos.

Originally Posted by FreshWater

If the man can’t stand the place because we’re so unenlightened and shortsighted, better to suggest the door. Respectfully.

Originally Posted by Binksy

Obviously you didn't read my reply. Asking a question doesn't imply lack of research or laziness, it implies like I said THINGS CHANGE, get it? I want the most current/up to date info available. Why do you check metars, didn't you read the TAF this morning? See my point?

Obviously you work there, and you knew the answers so I think you just disproved your own point about not knowing things by working there.

Not a millennial, far from it. You're probably a really super guy that everybody loves to be around since you never make false assumptions and are so gosh darn friendly! Have a good one.

Originally Posted by Vegaspilot

My last post was meant to be last on here, but ok I'll bite one more time. EVERYONE gets single days off regardless of how junior or senior you are. Especially in a base like LAS. I was top 10 on the FO list there and got months with plenty of single days off. And if you want to say I don't know how to bid fine, but then apparently the entire LAS base didnt know how to bid either. Things might be a bit better lately, but single days are completely hit and miss based on that joke of a schedule solver. I can deal with a single day off here and there, but this TA allows them way too much. After upgrading I'm back to bottom half in base so yeah my schedule sucks, but with these rules it will suck a lot worse than being junior at a legacy.

And believe me, I'm running for the door. After volunteering over three years of my time and life to this union and trying to help make this place better for all of us, I think I've earned the right to be very unhappy with what was presented us.

Originally Posted by flynryan15

TAFB is a misleading, myopic way of looking at QOL and it feeds into the "home every night" fallacy. His schedule is mostly single days off, it took him 4 or 5 months before he held 3 days off in a row. He is routinely scheduled to finish late with 10-12 hours rest and work early the next day. When you figure in his drive to work, how much is he really home? Going into his single days off he usually finishes after 2200 and his next working day has report time between 0530-0700. Ask him how many times he bids for early reports to finish early so he can do things with the family and how many times he is 3 plus hours late ruining those plans.



On reserve I was always on long call, I couldn't be touched before 1000 on day one, and if not used on final day released at 1000. Unless your next day off is flexible(only one of those a month) then you are released at 1500. There is a computerized aggressive pick up system for reserves that honors seniority. When I was on reserve my schedule never had single days off(contractually illegal) and always had blocks of 4-7 days off. I was able to trade days to improve my schedule monthly. Also we have a VDO(volunteer day off) option that is a easy way to improve your schedule and make extra money. As a lineholder its not even close! Every May I go to the Indy 500, no big deal I ended up with 05/21-06/5 off and used no vacation. Not a chance a junior guy at Allegiant could score that.



Look, I can go on and on all day long, if your battle cry is "how many nights does he sleep in his bed vs how many nights I sleep in mine." You win! BUT if you want to compare who has a better schedule, more days off, able to have a life, when I am off at home I am not a zombie, and control over/modify my schedule it's not even close.



PS

I don't have a Crashpad either. I have had to buy 3 hotel rooms this year, 1 as a lineholder and 2 as a reserve.

Originally Posted by tom11011

Will attrition pick up now regardless of pass or fail?

IE- will no voters bail if it passes or will yes voters bail if it fails?

Originally Posted by Turbo and Ozone

Sounds perfect. What company is this? I will apply tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by wette460

Those are UAL reserve work rules