INXS

I see improvements in all areas with this TA. I still average 100 hours TAFB (Time Away From Base)/month. My pay rates jump to $216-$232/hr over 5 years and we retain the 130% Premium Pay (Hours over 81). That alone pays $280 -$301/hr.

Not to mention the following Big Gains:

Scope

Health Care

Training Pay

First IBT Contract vs. At Will Employees

The list goes on....

I do respect the decision others are making to vote NO on this TA, as each pilot applies the complete package to their own lives.

I see big improvements and a no vote is a gamble that I'm not willing to take.

Yes vote here. FWIW.

FreshWater

But dude we didn’t get United work rules and Delta plus ones’ future pay rates, whenever that is. INXS you nailed it and spot on.

Johndoe1

Voted no. I'll gamble. It's not about pay rate it about QOL. And this TA does not make that any better than the garbage I get now. Yes, I'm a reserve only guy.

KC135

At a legacy? That's hard to believe unless you count time off in hotels as good QOL. All you have to do is post your monthly TAFB.

Clearedforils

Voted 'Yes', so we can move on, simply put! Too many positives in this TA to miss the train.

Thanks to the union NC for all their effort.

Clearedforils

Sounds like you are heart set on working at a legacy carrier, maybe you should just focus on that instead of coming to G4, there is no reason to jump around to other carriers since you are already flying decent equipment at a Part 121 carrier, will upgrade there soon enough and you have the age advantage.

People have their respectful and individual career choices but it is nicer to fly/work with guys and gals who 'want' to be here, are happy with what they have and are not a part of the constant 'rat race' chasing that coveted so called legacy title.

Good Luck to you Sir!

KC135

No, legacy recruiters don't score airbus or MD80 SIC any higher than the Embraer 170 SIC time you're getting now. E170 PIC is worth more than A320 SIC. The only value in making a jump for your goals would be to get a PIC type in a 75/76 and log SIC. This moves you to the top of the app stack at FedEx and helps your odds at UPS and United but G4 isn't hiring into the 757. G4 will be a career airline if this TA gets signed in with top CA rates over $230/hr and an average of 200 hours less time away from base per month vs the average legacy schedule. You hit a sweet spot in timing with this industry and your young age, good luck to you.

Binksy

Couple questions:

Is CVG Bus only? And is it Junior?

Which bases are new hires getting/could they plan on? Any Florida? AVL? CVG?

Any early release on last day of reserve if they haven't called by a certain time?

I know they can do single days off on RSV, but how common is that?

Thanks for info.

Vegaspilot

TAFB is a bad benchmark to use. At G4 I get maybe 100-130 TAFB if I have a hard line. Sure I'm home every night, but with numerous single days off and no real big blocks of days off. Less days off in general. At a legacy (including SWA) you'll probably see 200-300 TAFB depending on your seniority and how well you bid. But if you can pull 3 day trips with 4-5 or more blocks of days off in between I'd argue your QOL is going to be better due to the quality and length of days you have off. Just because you're home every night doesn't mean you end up any less tired after working 2-3 days in a row and if you only have 1-2 days off you're just getting back to normal when you start again. I have a friend who's junior at SWA and he's already got a line for July with an awarded 19 days off. One block of 7 and the rest blocks of 4. He just showed me how he's modified it and now has 22 days off with more credit and bigger blocks of days off. We'll NEVER see that here regardless of your seniority. He's not even a year in yet!! So yes, if I can get that kind of schedule with a real CBA with work rules, but it means 3-4 day trips SIGN ME UP. And this is under their current CBA...imagine how bad it's going to blow ours out of the water when they get their next one.

So you can argue that this TA (sure to pass despite us no voters) is going to make G4 a career airline, but without solid work rules (which this TA sorely lacks) it really isn't going to be a good career airline. Pay rates are such a small part of the equation, yet it's all the masses here seem to be able to see. I've argued and discussed at length with numerous people the short falls this thing has and all I hear is "think of the money we are leaving on the table" or "well it's a good first contract". It should be a good contract period. So I'm done...if it passes it passes, that's what this pilot group wants. But God willing it won't be my CBA for long. Good luck guys, if I'm right with my feelings of this thing, in a few months when the reality of this contract sets in you're gonna need it.

BlowinSmoke

Do you guys even read the forum first? It's in the pages! But I'll help.
1.yes 2.yes 3.all of them except Hawaii 4. Yes, 8 hours if you are first reserve. Other than that no, if the TA gets approved then it's 8 hours regardless of your rap assignment if followed by a day off.
5. Single days off will always be in your schedule. It's how we operate. You will usually work Sunday Monday and Thursday Friday. Until you are senior enough to hold multiple days off in a row this will most likely be your schedule. Even then we have 100% staff days.