g4giggity

2 pages of posts on APC, about posts on APC. This thread jumped the shark

Machaca

That's because the manginas are on the FB thread whining about what they don't have or allegedly won't have or might have to do, possibly one day...because the same morons who can't effectively manage in a crisis are somehow Machiavellian enough to individual mess up people's lives...

I find it interesting reading people complain about "industry leading" contract when, quite frankly, we aren't industry leading in anything other than profit margin, which actually speaks to our business model rather than anything else.

Vegaspilot

We make money in spite of ourselves. That was told to me my first month online years ago.

Machaca

It mystifies the masses no doubt...curious how they are going to figure out the ground crew issues rampant in the stations. Oh, wait...they don't care...

wette460

looks like the language clarification document from 1224 patched up some of the discussed loopholes. I think this document will end up sealing the deal for a yes vote.

JediCheese

Does anyone know what backgrounds/flight time recent hires have had at G4?

9easy

I know last week there was a variety of people hired, from pure corporate to 121 with lots of PIC.

mkennedy

That's what road shows are, spin jobs. And they succeeded with you.

Here's you're reality check. Pay is good right now, but the day jetBlue and Spirit sign they will leapfrog you and you will be stuck once again 2'nd from the bottom of the industry for 5-X+Y years where X is how long it takes those other two to achieve new rates (Spirit is in negotiations and jetBlue is preparing a "first offer" and Y is how long after this first Allegiant contract expires to get a new one. What, another four years minimum after the initial five? And read that language carefully, that' 1.5% bump at the end does not continue in perpetuity. Teamsters left that nugget out.

Medical is great if you can afford it. No other options and expensive if you have a family. But in all honesty, I am all for it. I had the same plan at my previous previous carrier.

Retirement is at least in the right direction, but way below industry average well below jetBlue but slightly better than Spirit.

Profit Sharing is not a contractual guarantee. They can change the "company plan" at anytime so that's a zero in my book. You think when new management comes in - which they will during the duration of this contract - they're going to be generous? Why would they? I wouldn't. We're contract employees now. What how fast their attitude changes. If it's not in writing, bye-bye-bye...

We kept our premium pay and that is awesome. That must have been one hell of a fight - but not all bases can count on flying more than 81 hours. Well, maybe the work rules will guarantee that in bidding (for senior people anyway). Oh wait, it's not addressed. There "will" be a new system in six months? We have to talk about it? I'm taking bets right now when you think this really will happen and if it will address seniority adequately.

Now let's get to the short falls:

Days off? Nothing is going to change. PLEASE PLEASE read Spirit's contract. There schedule is built for CREW EFFICIENCY. Our schedules are built at MARKETING's whim. You ever spent a whole day in Las Vegas just to get two hours of pay to Fresno? Anyway, the point is that by definitions of negotiating for days off instead of work days, we're losing six days a month to 31 day months plus the other guaranteed single day off that Spirit beats us to plus whatever their trip building rigs afford. Bottom line, we work more days. Period.

Now a shotgun of other things. Vacation days? Less than Spirit and everyone else. Reserve day credits? Less. Deadhead pay (yes, I deadhead all the time) 50%. I can't find a single other carrier that pays 50%. Long call reserve? Language, but no guarantee. Sounds like the R25s that I haven't seen in a decade. Remember those everyone? How about per diem. At or lower than everyone. Sick leave payout? Nope. Trip and duty rigs? At or less. Back side of the clock? Nope. International override? Nope.

How hard is it to put "Scope" in the contract that says, "if you start doing night flights, international flights, or multi-day trips then you can't do it unless we come up with work rules?"

Anyway, I just arrived six hours late and I looked to see if the new work rules would pay me anything extra. They do. 12 minutes.

Too bad those 12 minutes won't be at 130% because my base doesn't build bids that high.

mkennedy

Like. 4321

mkennedy

Yes. Management is having a road show as well. Have you ever heard of such a thing. They REALLY need this agreement. Don't know what's up, but JB has a fire under his arse. So let's just roll over. Yay!