Johndoe1

We win when the phone rings and it's a legacy calling for an interview! That is a scenario that we win at! Contract or not, most including myself still want to leave this place behind.

tom11011

Here is a Delta airlines pilot contract comparison on scope with other airlines.

http://www.txrv10.com/pdf_files/dalcompare.pdf#page7

Vegaspilot

I don't think this place is just going to implode if we vote it down. Everything is a risk. I'm very aware of the risks, but like Y2K, the sun will rise the next morning and it will probably be business as usual. This TA sure seems like a calculated move by the company. Why the last minute change of heart?? Something is up and I'd hate to play right into their hands by accepting a contract so riddled with holes.

pipercub

You don't think the Neg and EXCO was aware of that there was a change of hard and didn't barter for all the could get. A no Vote is guessing the next group of guys can do better.

I have heard the company was still trying to implement a simi-band system in at the last hour.

WE are talking about a CEO that was very clear that he would never sign anything with Scope, Dues check off, union security. We may never be in a position of power to get those back again. without a strike which very unlikely the NMB will ever let happen.

JustWatching

There is really no need to argue back and forth on here. I'm disappointed in some areas, but will be voting yes.

I spent a few hours at the airport today and talked with a number of people. Only 1 was voting no. All others, mostly junior FO's and junior CA's were voting yes and had good reasons to do so.

In the end, I think a no vote sets the group much further backwards than a yes vote and provides needed protections that we can use to build towards a future.

BigTime

Interesting, because I had the complete opposite experience. Only one junior FO that I spoke to said they were voting yes, everybody else was a no.

We've been through this before. We had a similar experience about 5 or 6 years ago with the current pay band system. The company gave us large pay raises with very little improvement in work rules. We voted yes to the improvements and then the company changed all our schedules, reduced the number of reserves, reduced the hours in each line, and most of us made tens of thousands of dollars less the following year. There is absolutely nothing in this TA that prevents them from manipulating the schedules to reduce costs.

EATME

i hope everybody takes the time to compare this ta to whichever pilot group contract you believe is your peer. ulcc, lcc, or legacy. don't just compare it to the current work rules. be intelligent about your decision.

SkiVasquez

When you compare, you have to remember to compare it to what our peers currently have, not what they're trying to negotiate for. The NMB and our mediator don't care about what could happen with other airlines, or where this TA will put us in a few years.

Indydog

I’m no great authority on contracts but I have lived threw my fair share of their wins and loses. Some years ago, this G4 management team was very different and so was our schedules. We easily commuted with consistent blocks of days off. This “no commuting” thing only began with the hiring of NW management and the addition of F&H solutions as a spiteful reaction to our requests for better. MG even bragged in business publication on how he was going to center attention on employee (pilot) efficiencies along with his strong anti-union stance. At that point pilots who believed Maury had a since of decency and believed he would treat us fairly learned a valuable lesson. He even told a new hire class once; “We’re not family!” Many of us have paid dearly with these single day off schedules. With this proposed TA, big M is attempting to change the pilot profession as a hole. Other airline pilots groups have stood tall and paid greatly for their contract gains against anti pilot managements. We all have benefited from what they achieved and this time unfortunately I believe its our turn. If collectively we vote this TA down……don’t blame the no voters for standing up for the traditions of our profession. We (as pilots) are not different and no business model, slogan, or stubborn resolve from a single individual will change the fact that G4 will be competing for pilots out of the same pilot pool as every other company for future hires. This is not a great TA if it allows for single days off and a CBI (human solver) type PBS. Pay, career and employment securities, and quality of life …..ie scope and schedules are the basic tenets of any 1st major airline contract. In my humble and only partially informed opinion (haven’t read completely thru it) I believe we should strive for and demand everything a professional airline pilot should expect from a successful company. We have contributed greatly towards making it the most profitable airline in the nation. Personally, I stand to lose greatly…dollar wise,… by a no vote….I only ask that you consider all that is at stake and additionally……. consider reading this TA thru the prism that we are negotiating with airline evil. This management has a deep seeded contempt for pilots and the pilot profession. They will manipulate, miss direct, dishonor, and disrespect our agreements and challenge our contracts strength thru litigation. If this TA passes, our fight has just begun.

BlowinSmoke

Not disagreeing with you at all. But, what makes you think they won't implement any money saving techniques if this gets voted in or not? At least we get better rates, retirement, and benefits.