Allegiant Air
#3251
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Cessna 150
Posts: 105
Enough about what might happen if we vote down the TA. The fact remains that the company came to us with an offer after they had refused to negotiate for 3.5 years. And it was a significant offer that would cost them millions.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet we'll have an even better offer within a month.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet we'll have an even better offer within a month.
Last edited by BigTime; 06-29-2016 at 07:14 PM.
#3252
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 28
Enough about what might happen if we vote down the TA. The fact remains that the company came to us with an offer after they had refused to negotiate for 3.5 years. And it was a significant offer that would cost them millions.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet well have an even better offer within a month.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet well have an even better offer within a month.
I'm not sure about your history in the industry but that's quite a prediction. As far as not being up to standard, I agree. Vote. It. Down. But, to say the company will be back with a better offer in a month is absurd. Call miss Cleo back, you need a refund.
#3253
Enough about what might happen if we vote down the TA. The fact remains that the company came to us with an offer after they had refused to negotiate for 3.5 years. And it was a significant offer that would cost them millions.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet well have an even better offer within a month.
That tells me something very significant forced them to make a deal which gives the pilots a lot of negotiating power. If this TA isn't up to industry standard, I say vote it down. I would bet well have an even better offer within a month.
I would just say for the single days off no deal guys, I would ask those on the road show from the Union/Company about the economics of getting those blocked
#3254
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 19
Understand what will happened if this TA gets turned down, in the real world.
The negotiating committee resigns their positions. The EXco also resigns their positions, new leadership needs to be vetted and elected (takes months). Most if not all existing committee members also resign in solidarity with the exco, leaving the union to be run by apathetic NO voters, (who are probably short timers anyhow).
The NMB mediator(****ed at his meager government salary) cant believe we reject this offer, decided to put us "on Ice" for no less than 12-18 months, all the while we work under the current work suggestions and remain "at will" employees. 12 year captains could have had 216.42 plus profit sharing, work for 160 hr. (current rate capped out--no increases)
HR department gets bombarded with PRIA request as mass exodus develops.
The rumored Big Order get postponed since pilot cost remain an unknown.
If you vote NO, your voting YES to being on the road 1 week a month, away from your spouse and kids, unpaid, negotiating a new TA for this pilot group. (And knee deep in emails, paper work and phone calls, to what equates to a full time job time wise, all while flying 80 hrs a month.) Thanks for stepping up to the plate.
SWA and Delta could vote NO bc the are already under and agreement, we are not. Why kick the can down the road on next TA in 2021-24, that is Stupid.
I m voting yes.
The negotiating committee resigns their positions. The EXco also resigns their positions, new leadership needs to be vetted and elected (takes months). Most if not all existing committee members also resign in solidarity with the exco, leaving the union to be run by apathetic NO voters, (who are probably short timers anyhow).
The NMB mediator(****ed at his meager government salary) cant believe we reject this offer, decided to put us "on Ice" for no less than 12-18 months, all the while we work under the current work suggestions and remain "at will" employees. 12 year captains could have had 216.42 plus profit sharing, work for 160 hr. (current rate capped out--no increases)
HR department gets bombarded with PRIA request as mass exodus develops.
The rumored Big Order get postponed since pilot cost remain an unknown.
If you vote NO, your voting YES to being on the road 1 week a month, away from your spouse and kids, unpaid, negotiating a new TA for this pilot group. (And knee deep in emails, paper work and phone calls, to what equates to a full time job time wise, all while flying 80 hrs a month.) Thanks for stepping up to the plate.
SWA and Delta could vote NO bc the are already under and agreement, we are not. Why kick the can down the road on next TA in 2021-24, that is Stupid.
I m voting yes.
#3255
I'd like to know the percentage of pilots having single day off issues. I'm not sure if it's base specific, but I've never had issues. Even being bottom half in base-seniority, for July I bid Saturday/Sunday's off and I got weekends off, along with a 3-day Saturday-Monday off. Again not sure if it's base specific or people not knowing how to bid?
#3256
I'd like to know the percentage of pilots having single day off issues. I'm not sure if it's base specific, but I've never had issues. Even being bottom half in base-seniority, for July I bid Saturday/Sunday's off and I got weekends off, along with a 3-day Saturday-Monday off. Again not sure if it's base specific or people not knowing how to bid?
#3258
New Hire
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1
I am a Delta pilot and voted no on our last TA. I see many at Allegiant in disagreement over this supposed historic agreement for you. I know little of the details, but if you are chasing the money your life will become very unsatisfying if you have no time to enjoy it. Does this new deal contain the ability for your airline to only give you one day off on a consistent basis week in and week out.
#3259
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: A-320
Posts: 680
Understand what will happened if this TA gets turned down, in the real world.
The negotiating committee resigns their positions. The EXco also resigns their positions, new leadership needs to be vetted and elected (takes months). Most if not all existing committee members also resign in solidarity with the exco, leaving the union to be run by apathetic NO voters, (who are probably short timers anyhow).
The NMB mediator(****ed at his meager government salary) cant believe we reject this offer, decided to put us "on Ice" for no less than 12-18 months, all the while we work under the current work suggestions and remain "at will" employees. 12 year captains could have had 216.42 plus profit sharing, work for 160 hr. (current rate capped out--no increases)
The negotiating committee resigns their positions. The EXco also resigns their positions, new leadership needs to be vetted and elected (takes months). Most if not all existing committee members also resign in solidarity with the exco, leaving the union to be run by apathetic NO voters, (who are probably short timers anyhow).
The NMB mediator(****ed at his meager government salary) cant believe we reject this offer, decided to put us "on Ice" for no less than 12-18 months, all the while we work under the current work suggestions and remain "at will" employees. 12 year captains could have had 216.42 plus profit sharing, work for 160 hr. (current rate capped out--no increases)
#3260
This almost made me blow my beer out my nose! Nice one!! 😂
There's a lot of NostroDumass conjecture going on here & we still haven't got the TA language! Company must be having a field day reading these threads!! The roadshows can't come soon enough!
There's a lot of NostroDumass conjecture going on here & we still haven't got the TA language! Company must be having a field day reading these threads!! The roadshows can't come soon enough!
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