Allegiant Air
06-26-2016, 06:00 AM
#3062
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: Left seat
Posts: 54
The one "line in the sand" item for we was work rules, more specifically single days off. If what's being said is true, it's definitely a no vote for me and very disheartening. I've seen and lived reserve schedules where your Friday is R1030 (no auto release 8 hours after start), one day off and your Monday R5. What do you really get on that day off? The chance to do laundry and take a crap without your phone in your hand. If you're senior enough to hold a line, maybe you get off early on your Friday and have a whole day and a half off. Awesome! Single days off are total bs and unacceptable. Even my landscaper gets two days off in a row and I'm pretty sure he's illegal. To those who say "you knew what this airline was when you hired on" so you can't complain about single days, you're an idiot. In my 10+ years at this company, I NEVER had single days until Merlot came along. Besides, life changes. When I was hired, I was young, single and just picked up and moved wherever the company sent me. Now I'm old and have a life outside of work so single days off just doesn't work. I don't care what your seniority is, just flat out wrong!!
In my opinion, stop talking about UAL, DAL, AA. We're not a legacy, never will be. But the fact we can't even have work rules as good as our (true) peers is troubling. Pay rates are secondary to me. I don't care how much I make if I'm still getting bent over by inadequate work rules.
In my opinion, stop talking about UAL, DAL, AA. We're not a legacy, never will be. But the fact we can't even have work rules as good as our (true) peers is troubling. Pay rates are secondary to me. I don't care how much I make if I'm still getting bent over by inadequate work rules.
06-26-2016, 06:03 AM
#3063
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 128
Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years
2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)
2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145
Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.
2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.
Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.
A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)
Grand total 12990 to 13390
New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650
Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)
06-26-2016, 06:25 AM
#3066
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 20
The actual breakdown has not been officially released yet, so no one knows the exact numbers, but this is what is being passed about
Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years
2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)
2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145
Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.
2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.
Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.
A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)
Grand total 12990 to 13390
New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650
Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)
Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years
2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)
2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145
Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.
2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.
Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.
A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)
Grand total 12990 to 13390
New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650
Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)
That's great! So what are you gonna spend all that money on during your single days off while being TDY'd for 10 straight months? I know from what I've seen it doesn't matter how much vacation we are given...you'll only be able to take it in the fall, if at all. I really hope that there is some great language included that was left out of those texts.....if not......a huge nooooooo!!!
06-26-2016, 06:39 AM
#3067
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,433
06-26-2016, 06:45 AM
#3068
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
The one "line in the sand" item for we was work rules, more specifically single days off. If what's being said is true, it's definitely a no vote for me and very disheartening. I've seen and lived reserve schedules where your Friday is R1030 (no auto release 8 hours after start), one day off and your Monday R5. What do you really get on that day off? The chance to do laundry and take a crap without your phone in your hand. If you're senior enough to hold a line, maybe you get off early on your Friday and have a whole day and a half off. Awesome! Single days off are total bs and unacceptable. Even my landscaper gets two days off in a row and I'm pretty sure he's illegal. To those who say "you knew what this airline was when you hired on" so you can't complain about single days, you're an idiot. In my 10+ years at this company, I NEVER had single days until Merlot came along. Besides, life changes. When I was hired, I was young, single and just picked up and moved wherever the company sent me. Now I'm old and have a life outside of work so single days off just doesn't work. I don't care what your seniority is, just flat out wrong!!
In my opinion, stop talking about UAL, DAL, AA. We're not a legacy, never will be. But the fact we can't even have work rules as good as our (true) peers is troubling. Pay rates are secondary to me. I don't care how much I make if I'm still getting bent over by inadequate work rules.
In my opinion, stop talking about UAL, DAL, AA. We're not a legacy, never will be. But the fact we can't even have work rules as good as our (true) peers is troubling. Pay rates are secondary to me. I don't care how much I make if I'm still getting bent over by inadequate work rules.
06-26-2016, 06:48 AM
#3069
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: MD CA
Posts: 97
The actual breakdown has not been officially released yet, so no one knows the exact numbers, but this is what is being passed about
Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years
2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)
2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145
Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.
2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.
Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.
A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)
Grand total 12990 to 13390
New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650
Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)
Automatic pay scale bumps every year (1.5%) for 5 years
2016 CA
2 yr 160
5 yr 180
10 yr 206
12 yr 216 (date of signing plus 5 yrs 232)
2016 FO
1 yr 53.8
2 yr 96
5 yr 115
8 yr 130
10 yr 138
12 yr 145
Not sure what you mean by cancellation pay, if a flight gets cancelled we are pay protected and new rules apparently improve the reserve issue of getting called in and getting cancelled, not put back on reserve.
2:1 duty rig, which is a huge step up, as well as the continuation of the 130% pay after 81 hours of credit as opposed to having to have been scheduled or actually flying the 81 hours. Training pay of 4 hours credit a day from 80 dollars a day, definite improvement.
Pretty rare to credit much over 100 hours a month unless advantageous open time pickups or being a Mission Mode *****, seems like it will be far easier now to pass the 100 hours per month if you are working what is now a standard schedule with the DH pay improvements and duty rig, plus overnight protection.
A third year CA on pure reserve, picking up 20 hours of open time with multiple DH (20 hours round figure) and not being able to fly out guarantee (not including open time, which goes above guarantee) would see this:
70 hour guarantee 10010
20 ABG 2860
120 hr per diem 120
20 hr DH 0 to 400 (offset 1 hour after 51 hr up to 70)
Grand total 12990 to 13390
New rules (guesstimate since official numbers aren't released yet
90 hours credit (81@165)+(9@214) 13555
120 hr per diem 240
DH (50% rate) 1650
Total 15445 (without any type of duty rig calculation, which would happen more often than one would think)
06-26-2016, 06:52 AM
#3070
Gets Tue/Wed and Sat Off
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 551
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