Allegiant Air
06-25-2016, 06:27 PM
#3041
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Joined APC: May 2016
Position: AB
Posts: 293
12 year Ca rates top at 237 and 12 year FO at 145. Both above JB... 12 year Ca starts the deal at 217ish. 2nd year FO is 96 and change.
Again, we'll see what the completed package is this week.
06-25-2016, 07:03 PM
#3042
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
I refuse to vote yes on a contract that's subpar and will end up being a drag on the rest of the industry. I'm not interested in building our way up to a industry standard. The company is now and has been raking in massive profits. The company isn't waiting to take home record profits, so why should I expect anything less than an industry leading contract.
06-25-2016, 07:12 PM
#3043
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,114
I don't get it either. All the rates are exactly what spirit has currently, from their 2010 contract. Great, we will bring our pilot group up to 2010 work rules, minus the good spirit work rules but get a bump in pay, the exact same pay that Spirit rejected. So we will have LCC leading pay rates until sprit and jet blue sign their contracts, then we will be the bottom of the barrel again. Stockholm syndrome at its finest. This is the best resource I've found to compare contract highlights:
http://www.aerocrewnews.us/acn/2016/...un-2016-R1.pdf
http://www.aerocrewnews.us/acn/2016/...un-2016-R1.pdf
I'm not defending your TA, I have no clue what the rates are or what's in it.
06-25-2016, 07:14 PM
#3044
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 327
I don't get it either. All the rates are exactly what spirit has currently, from their 2010 contract. Great, we will bring our pilot group up to 2010 work rules, minus the good spirit work rules but get a bump in pay, the exact same pay that Spirit rejected. So we will have LCC leading pay rates until sprit and jet blue sign their contracts, then we will be the bottom of the barrel again. Stockholm syndrome at its finest. This is the best resource I've found to compare contract highlights:
http://www.aerocrewnews.us/acn/2016/...un-2016-R1.pdf
http://www.aerocrewnews.us/acn/2016/...un-2016-R1.pdf
06-25-2016, 07:25 PM
#3045
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: A-320 First Officer
Posts: 57
So what's the numbers that are going around? 96 2nd yr FO and 237 15 yr Capt? That seems ok, it's some of the work rules that bother me. We should get premium pay for open time pick ups and 100% DH pay. That being said I'm totally not making my mind up until I go to a road show and ask the important questions.
06-25-2016, 07:28 PM
#3046
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 327
[QUOTE=skyrider1015;2150948]So what's the numbers that are going around? 96 2nd yr FO and 237 15 yr Capt? That seems ok, it's some of the work rules that bother me. We should get premium pay for open time pick ups and 100% DH pay. That being said I'm totally not making my mind up until I go to a road show and ask the important questions.[/QUOT
Only a 12 year scale at Allegiant.
Only a 12 year scale at Allegiant.
06-25-2016, 07:31 PM
#3047
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: CRJ-200 CA
Posts: 434
Well there are too many details that need to be read carefully to understand the true implications, however some of the stuff I been reading, if true, are troubling. Seems to me like our work rules will be subpar compared even to Spirit's current rules. We may be better off voting no and sending a clear message that we mean business. If we hold out until Spirit gets their contract we probably will get a much better deal. And I'm saying this as a guy on first year pay and a family of four desperate for a pay raise. Big picture thinking is crucial here though since WE WILL be stuck with this for the next 10 years. We are the most profitable company in the country, we should be treated accordingly. I understand we can't demand legacy rates, but let's be the highest paid and best work rules LCC out there!
06-25-2016, 07:33 PM
#3048
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 327
I UNDERSTAND CURRENT SPIRIT PAY RATES ARE BELOW OUR TA!!
Spirit management offered basically the exact same rates we are currently discussing in our TA for their current negotiations and were rejected. It was offered to the union in December of 2015. That proposal from the company topped out at $200 for year 1 and $232 for year 5 for captains. Sound familiar? FO rates were offered to top out at $128 for DOS and $142 for year 5. Again, for those of you that can't seem to keep up, THESE WERE REJECTED BY THE SPIRIT UNION!
So Spririt has much better work rules than us and rejects an offer that we are staring at. Sounds like we will be the bottom very soon after signing this, right where we belong.
No one has bothered to answer why it only took 3 months to go from start to finish in the most contentious sections of a pilot contract. Maybe it was just out of the goodness of their hearts. Or maybe the union was just so intimidating. GMAFB.
Spirit management offered basically the exact same rates we are currently discussing in our TA for their current negotiations and were rejected. It was offered to the union in December of 2015. That proposal from the company topped out at $200 for year 1 and $232 for year 5 for captains. Sound familiar? FO rates were offered to top out at $128 for DOS and $142 for year 5. Again, for those of you that can't seem to keep up, THESE WERE REJECTED BY THE SPIRIT UNION!
So Spririt has much better work rules than us and rejects an offer that we are staring at. Sounds like we will be the bottom very soon after signing this, right where we belong.
No one has bothered to answer why it only took 3 months to go from start to finish in the most contentious sections of a pilot contract. Maybe it was just out of the goodness of their hearts. Or maybe the union was just so intimidating. GMAFB.
06-25-2016, 07:34 PM
#3049
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Btw I see some comparison to Jetblue on here. Who the fukc negotiates for what Jetblue has and worse, what they have today?? They are in negotiations now, also having retention problems of their own. My guess is that they are going to come WAY up.
Also to not even get in five years what united has today is a joke. Allegiant pilots will wait four years to see that money and then have to keep it for another six after that. Everyone knows united snaps to delta when they sign, which will be leading, and then they open negotiations again in 2019 along with American. How's that $23X look when we see $300 narrow body captains in a few years. Let's not even talk about retirement because our kids aren't going to let us live with them when we need 24hr care.
Scope is most important of all so if you got something rock solid there then I applaud you.
06-25-2016, 07:39 PM
#3050
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 327
The 15 year can be a big deal, if you take current rats at spirit the 15 year is $15 an hour more than 12 our top. Out TA is start at 216 so if their offer was the same brake down their 12 year rate offered could have been as low as 31 dollars lower than our TA rate.
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