N1sync

Not to politicize this but it's a good time to consider that we may now fall into that category of evil "rich" people that will get taxed as punishment for being "rich"

Consider this when voting in November.

JustWatching

You're comparing apples to oranges, but yes, Allegiant negotiates very low rates for most all things they do. Many airports subsidize G4 operations or we don't go into that city.

Again, you can think you're worth is whatever you want and you wouldn't be wrong. What you are in unrealistic. If you're waiting for legacy rates and work rules, you'll need to get hired at a legacy.

Good luck to you.

Packrat

Well said. You knew what Allegiant was when you applied there. What makes you think they're going to change anytime soon? A leopard can't change its spots. As long as there are plenty of pilots who think Allegiant is better than their regional, your management has no incentive to change.

Now when they have trouble getting people in the door and/or completing training then they'll have the incentive to pay you more. Until then you're just spitting in the wind.

Dictum

If you simply adhere to market principles, the higher pay should go to the group whose services are scarcer. We all know the legacy airlines have no shortage of applicants whereas Allegiant may be experiencing a shortage of applicants their management deems "qualified" (see below).

So, why is it that Allegiant pays less than the legacies? The short answer is that the legacies have long standing union contracts that distort an individual pilot's value in the market. This is a very good thing! Allegiant has no established union contract. A non-union company is able to exercise more control over the compensation of their employees being unfettered by a contract with its pilots. The more complex answer has to do with the labor supply and the hiring preferences of the better paid airlines.

Beyond numeric flight time, the harsh truth is that the Allegiant management couldn't care less about who they hire. To MG, pilots are just another subset of employees. Actually, he doesn't get involved at all outside of general guidelines handed down to the flight department management: he simply wants to have a group that will clear his insurance requirements and not expose him to legal liability surrounding their level of experience (as ultimately defined by the FAA as sufficient) should there be an accident. He has no preference for military or civilian, etc. All MG wants is somebody who meets a minimum qualification for the job and will accept it at the compensation level he has set for the position. MG is a pure businessman concerned with profits and losses. Personal biases concerning "suitability" for the position (in terms of initial selection) do not play a part in hiring at Allegiant. If anything, Allegiant tends to look for pilot employees that will remain employed through the payback period for their training which is, most likely, a very short time.

So, MG gets pilots for what he can get them for on the open market. He's had a cost advantage for a long time thanks to the ignorance of his generally young and guileless pilot group whose market experience was very limited. By this I mean the Allegiant pilot group took an excessively long time to unionize. Anti-union resistance was very high until recently. Market-experienced members of their group argued in futility for years and against certain anti-union personalities who were given far more heed than they rated. In the end, as we see, those self-serving and malignant personalities were proven wrong and misguided after all.

Qwerty320

Does anybody have tips for the phone interview? I have one scheduled soon. I really want to work here.

crxpilot

I know you were trying to come across as smart and all, but the short answer is "supply and demand". Save that long winded puff piece for when you're looking in the mirror, you can even applaud yourself when your done.

trickeriche

Tell the truth, except if you are planning on commuting.

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Qwerty320

Thanks. Don't plan on commuting that's the whole purpose of making Allegiant a career. I was looking for information on what kinda things they ask about. Btw, you guys actually do, do out and backs correct?

Dictum

Good one.

"Supply and demand" is too vague. My point was that Allegiant guys should, if anything, be better compensated than the legacies due to scarcity. That's just theory, though.

I'm glad you guys are nearing the end of your negotiations. It's been a long road. Higher pay and benefits will attract more and better candidates. I stand by my statement that the pilot group at Allegiant has/had some seriously stupid and/or self-serving people in positions of influence trying to stop the forward progress of the group. Some had a dim-bulb epiphany and got onboard with the union movement when the BS finally piled up and dirtied them personally. Recognize who these low-value individuals are and make sure they don't get put into a position of influence again.

Der Meister

Scarcity has nothing to do with it, pilots are a commodity in general. Thus the scarcity of said commodity is not solely limited to one company, but all companies.