sqwkvfr

Procedures and terminology are discussed on these boards all of the time. Oddly enough, as the result of reading this discussion, more Airbus people now understand the acronym's meaning and origins and those on other equipment or that have transitioned to the Airbus understand that the term is not understood by all and perhaps should be avoided for the purposes of Airbus operations.

Now, the tone may have been a little juvenile (per what seems to have become internet SOP), but what's the harm in learning from each other?

Ameriagle

Thanks for making my point. In your response you've demanded accountability from the training department, maintenance, and there are some two hundred odd pages in this thread demanding accountability from management. Yet, we have a pilot trying to justify on a public board that he does things a little different because that's what he did on another fleet or what someone else does, nevermind it's not in-line with approved guidance. It's not about terminology, it's representative of a mindset that is unacceptable, IMO, if we are going to demand accountability and be taken seriously as a pilot group.

I wouldn't give a s#%t about what he does in his cockpit except that when he is put in a position to explain it (it being ANYTHING outside approved guidance) it hurt's the CREDIBILITY of the entire pilot group and weaken's our argument. Like it or not that is the reality of the situation.

I guess having left and "risen above the fray" you now feel entitled to be condescending and arrogant. Wow! That is unfortunate.

tyler durden

Go get 'em kid! Keep up the good fight! Way to keep your eye on the ball!

-signed-

G4 management (not really)

Ps. Take a sedative before you blow a major vessel.

grnclvrs

Good luck using it with Hardcore on your next PC.

rokgpsman

I think those vouchers are good for 12 months from date of original ticket purchase, which is generally long enough for someone to plan another trip if they want to, especially a leisure traveler. So 70% of them not getting redeemed would indicate a lot of customers not returning for what they fear is more of the same. Since the vouchers are only given out when things go wrong, it appears that for many customers that had their travel plans wrecked it isn't worth the risk to try again. Travel blogs and the AAY facebook page often have comments from AAY passengers saying that various airport personnel such as agents at nearby ticket counters, airport "ambassadors", the airport information counter lady, etc all tell inquiring passengers that it is fairly routine for AAY to have canceled flights, hours of delays, long wait time for baggage to be placed on carousel, complaints about AAY employees not giving professional customer service, etc. The AAY reputation is not so good according to many of the people that work at the airports every day and see the big picture. I've got a retired friend that works as an airport ambassador at the ICT airport and he confirms this general feeling among the folks working at the airport. He said even the airport security officers talk about it.

But hey, you can fly 1200 miles for only $49 and often get there on the scheduled day.

dawgdriver

My apologies if my comments were taken as arrogant or condescending. Not my intention to offend. I have nothing to be proud of. Although I'm happy where I'm at, like every decision, there are drawbacks. In many ways I miss the old G4. What many who have left will say is that they miss the family, friendly atmosphere and being home every night. However, there are many things I don't miss and for the sake of many dear friends still working there, I hope you guys can remain united and focused on making it a place it could be. Don't let petty arguments and differences split up the uniquely cohesive pilot group you have worked so hard to become.

We all thought it had the potential of being the best gig in the business. The sense of loss because things went south is why so much emotion is felt on this thread.

That was my only point, to not lose sight of the prize and allow the actions of management to derail what appears to be solid progress.

Best wishes.

disco inferno

Was an exact date ever set for the next round of negotiations?

pipercub

I believe its the week of the 20th not sure what days

crxpilot

If you need a good chuckle just go read the Allegiant facebook page. I have to laugh......They never learn.......

rokgpsman

People are lured by the seemingly low fares, and the general public assumes that all airlines big or small have pretty much the same basic service and reliability. It's all regulated by the government, right? The ads in local newspapers and on billboards in town have colorful photos of fun vacations spots, with a low airfare displayed prominently. Often the surrounding areas served have had little or no airline service conveniently nearby before, so the customers are eager.

This business model would work wonderfully if the flights were reliable. No one wants to plan a trip and then have to deal with the hassles and grief when they can't get to their destination. On the planned arrival day travelers usually have show tickets they have bought, hotel rooms, rental cars, plans with friends or family such as a wedding or funeral or reunion, etc. They may have planned a brief 2 or 3 day getaway, so missing the first day of the trip cuts it in half. Or a delay getting back home results in a missed day at work, causing big problems for some. Then if they desperately book with another airline they pay dearly for the last-minute walk-up fare. This is the final straw for the cost-conscience customer AAY appealed to in the first place. There's a reason AAY sometimes drops service to a particular area, after a while the number of people buying tickets drops to a level that doesn't make it worthwhile. A reputation for being unreliable is part of that.

A business flyer that misses a meeting is one thing, he doesn't cry over that, especially if he isn't personally paying for the trip. But wreck someone's personal travel plans and they won't be happy. The general feeling from many I've heard from is that AAY has to continually expand service to new cities to draw new customers, to replace all the former customers that will never fly with them again after a debacle. It's that old PT Barnum circus thing, bilk all the customers you can, then move on to a different town for fresh ones.