Allegiant Air
02-28-2016, 07:48 PM
#1841
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 330 FO
Posts: 584
Well chief, I eat all my meals at home with my family. On my out and backs I bring food from home. I never have to worry about not liking the food on the menu.
I'm not sure about the incoherant question about nights in my own bed. I spend all of them in my own bed. I'm sure you love being a widebdy pilot. How many years did it take to hold that? I'm holding 320 captain in well under 2 years.
You appear to assume I have no knowledge of legacy life. I had a crash pad full of United guys at my old regional. It didn't sound as good to me as what I have now. Whatever works for you, knock yourself out.
I'm not sure about the incoherant question about nights in my own bed. I spend all of them in my own bed. I'm sure you love being a widebdy pilot. How many years did it take to hold that? I'm holding 320 captain in well under 2 years.
You appear to assume I have no knowledge of legacy life. I had a crash pad full of United guys at my old regional. It didn't sound as good to me as what I have now. Whatever works for you, knock yourself out.
If my question about nights in one's own bed was incoherent, I apologize. My meaning is that with the huge efficiency on the 777 or 747 and things like that, it's very easy to get 18,19,20 days off. I like my overnights. It's like a free mini-vacation. But I do know guys like you seem to be, who don't want any part of it. They bid nothing but day trips, which, by-the-way, you can do here too if you've got the seniority.
And no, having crash pad mates doesn't mean you know what it's like. You have to actually do it to know. Some guys hate it. They are the small minority, but they exist. It's not for everybody, for sure. The beauty is, you can always bid to domestic, no problem.
How many years did it take to hold that? Well new hires are getting the ER and our most junior narrowbody captain is a 2014 hire, so....for now....not long at all.
02-29-2016, 03:51 AM
#1842
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Position: Reserve on tha Beach
Posts: 546
02-29-2016, 07:00 AM
#1843
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Off to the left!
Posts: 465
For someone that is so happy to no longer be at Allegiant, you spend a unhealthy amount of time trolling a thread about a company you no longer work for. Maybe you're not as happy as you think? Perhaps this thread is therapy for yourself? One would think a happy legacy guy would put his old airline he was so unhappy with behind him and never look back.
Maybe you should get a therapy for the issues you have letting go. You're clearly suffering from anger management issues.
Maybe you should get a therapy for the issues you have letting go. You're clearly suffering from anger management issues.
Since I was there almost ten years and am now at a legacy, I can make a good comparison between the two. Since you have never been at a legacy, you have no idea what it's really like.
With my 16% retirement and new pay rate, I will make more as a second year FO now than you will as a second year captain there. I will have a better schedule, and a lot less stress worrying about whether or not dispatch is trying to do something stupid with the flight or maintenance has forgotten to install some parts in the plane.
02-29-2016, 07:41 AM
#1844
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 24
Actually my wife is on my overnight. Sorry you were such a bad pilot that only G4 would hire you. There are other options like McDonald's. I bet they have a much better retirement than G4. And, most legacy pilots DO get 17% without contribution. You are the mediocrity poster boy. Watch out for those gay FA's! They might touch you....
02-29-2016, 07:45 AM
#1845
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 84
02-29-2016, 07:59 AM
#1846
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 1st year pay for the 3rd time
Posts: 1,434
Paris has some descent restaurants. Pasta is pretty good in Rome. Argentina makes a passable steak.
On a typical intn'l trip, which is what you are critiquing, you spend about 3 hours total in your home base airport. You don't eat there unless you just want to. Usually you just wait to get the first class menu to make your choice from.
Hey man, if you like it where you are and it works for you, great, mazel tov. If you are going to try and make intn'l widebody sound bad, you've got an uphill climb. There is, right now, a 3 day trip on the 777 in ATL worth almost 32 hours. Do the math on that, figure your days off and tell me how many days in your bed and time for hobbies you end up with.
On a typical intn'l trip, which is what you are critiquing, you spend about 3 hours total in your home base airport. You don't eat there unless you just want to. Usually you just wait to get the first class menu to make your choice from.
Hey man, if you like it where you are and it works for you, great, mazel tov. If you are going to try and make intn'l widebody sound bad, you've got an uphill climb. There is, right now, a 3 day trip on the 777 in ATL worth almost 32 hours. Do the math on that, figure your days off and tell me how many days in your bed and time for hobbies you end up with.
If all the keyboard warriors don't think the majority of G4 pilots wouldn't jump at a chance to work at Delta, you're kidding yourselves.
02-29-2016, 08:40 AM
#1848
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
If your wife wants to bang her personal trainer, she will do it during the afternoon while your on your coveted turn. Don't delude yourself.
02-29-2016, 08:46 AM
#1849
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: FO
Posts: 88
Calm down buddy. I'm responding to you. I didn't come on here bashing Allegiant. YOU are the one that lit into 777 flying like it was the worst thing imaginable. My food comment was in direct response to you saying we eat airport food all the time, when that's rarely, if ever the case.
If my question about nights in one's own bed was incoherent, I apologize. My meaning is that with the huge efficiency on the 777 or 747 and things like that, it's very easy to get 18,19,20 days off. I like my overnights. It's like a free mini-vacation. But I do know guys like you seem to be, who don't want any part of it. They bid nothing but day trips, which, by-the-way, you can do here too if you've got the seniority.
And no, having crash pad mates doesn't mean you know what it's like. You have to actually do it to know. Some guys hate it. They are the small minority, but they exist. It's not for everybody, for sure. The beauty is, you can always bid to domestic, no problem.
How many years did it take to hold that? Well new hires are getting the ER and our most junior narrowbody captain is a 2014 hire, so....for now....not long at all.
If my question about nights in one's own bed was incoherent, I apologize. My meaning is that with the huge efficiency on the 777 or 747 and things like that, it's very easy to get 18,19,20 days off. I like my overnights. It's like a free mini-vacation. But I do know guys like you seem to be, who don't want any part of it. They bid nothing but day trips, which, by-the-way, you can do here too if you've got the seniority.
And no, having crash pad mates doesn't mean you know what it's like. You have to actually do it to know. Some guys hate it. They are the small minority, but they exist. It's not for everybody, for sure. The beauty is, you can always bid to domestic, no problem.
How many years did it take to hold that? Well new hires are getting the ER and our most junior narrowbody captain is a 2014 hire, so....for now....not long at all.
For those curious... I have heard (personally) of plenty of people going to United, and guys leaving in droves to Southwest. Haven't heard of any AA or Delta personally yet. I think there has been a jet blue or two in there as well.
-Alex-
02-29-2016, 09:15 AM
#1850
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: FO
Posts: 88
To those curious about Allegiant and looking to possibly apply, let me at least tell you my current schedule and QOL... take it for what it's worth...
I was an Aug 24, '15 hire, based in Pitt on the bus. Number 16 out of 26 in my class (I think there were 14 bus slots and 12 md-80 slots, bus went junior because of the available bases).
I hit the line in Pitt on Jan 1st. My January schedule was built by crew scheduling as I wasn't out of training in time to bid for a line, nor was Pitt officially opened until Dec. 24 I believe. In January, I only had 9 days off, 6 reserve days, and about 16 days of flying (all day trips). I got a lot of 7-8 hour day trips that month (the international turns PIT-CUN, PIT-Punta Cana) so my total credit for the month ended up being around 115 (everything over 81 hours is paid at 130%)... I had to send crew pay 2 emails I believe to fix some errors but it was resolved in 3 days or less after I sent the email, no different than most regionals I'd say.
February I was bidding 6 of 6 so my entire month was/is reserve. I've been used 5 times, and was able to pick up some extra days flying and reserve days from other guys in base; so I'll credit about 85 hours. I was home (albeit I couldn't really go anywhere or drink adult beverages!) way more than a welfare bum... My wife was ready to kick me out of the house. Since I'm on a pure reserve schedule, I'm told I will not get the 130% for my hours above 81... Something we need fixed in the contract.
For march I was bidding 5 of 6 and I managed a mixed line; some days of reserve and some days of flying. It's about 10 flying days and 10 reserve days with about 11 days off, it's worth 85 hours, but I've traded with some guys to get it up to about 95. Since it's a mixed line and not pure reserve, I will get the bonus pay of 130% for all hours above 81.
I don't typically get called on reserve (I've heard that's more or less the norm at most bases) because reserves are used here (seemingly so) much like they are at the majors, only in the case of emergencies and pilot sick calls, not as gap fillers like the regionals.
My experience so far has been good to great. That's mostly because of the inherent perks of these schedules and also because the airbus is overall a good plane. Maintenance is a little lazy and under-motivated, but if you write something up, it will get looked at. Gate agents and rampers are all contracted out, probably to the lowest bidder, so you get that sort of service. I haven't been on time for more than a handful of my flights, but when we're late, it's not usually more than 45-60 minutes (if that) in total. And I almost never see a passenger that really cares... In fact, our passengers, from what I have seen, have been great, very nice and appreciative.
One other quick note... Our captains have to be constantly on the alert... They always seem to find errors in the logbook and on the paperwork, much more frequently that I saw at ExpressJet. Someone posted earlier that being a captain here comes with a much increased amount of responsibility and stress, more so than the norm; and that's exactly what I've seen... These guys are error-checking machines... Lots of mistakes seem to be made outside the flight deck. So, the quick upgrade may be a mixed blessing.
PIT is a small base, no big growth plans that I have heard of, only 1 airplane for now and the foreseeable future. The schedules are pretty bad unless you're in the top 3 slots and you can hold some of the international turns; otherwise the Florida turns are all around 4 hours of credit. International is in the morning, 6am show, and the domestic is in the afternoon, 3 or 4pm show. There's a total of 6 FO's and 6 CA's here... goes very very junior. The last bid awarded the last 5 CA spots all to PIT, the most junior guy to get it was a 7/7/15 hire, just a handful of weeks before me. So with any luck, I'll hold PIT CA on the next bid to come out (April/may) and hit the line as a CA maybe JAN of '17 (wishful ish thinking). It will get more senior with time, but for now, I'm the only pilot (Both on FO and CA side) that actually lives here, so it's real easy for me to pick up some extra flying from guys that want an extra day off here and there... trading has never been an issue with crew scheduling.
I have no doubt that the 3 majors and probably Southwest are probably better places to be for the long run (for now), but this is just as good a place as any (better than any regional) to bide your time and see whats next in store for you.
Questions/comments feel free to ask...
-Alex-
cel: 484-661-7716
I was an Aug 24, '15 hire, based in Pitt on the bus. Number 16 out of 26 in my class (I think there were 14 bus slots and 12 md-80 slots, bus went junior because of the available bases).
I hit the line in Pitt on Jan 1st. My January schedule was built by crew scheduling as I wasn't out of training in time to bid for a line, nor was Pitt officially opened until Dec. 24 I believe. In January, I only had 9 days off, 6 reserve days, and about 16 days of flying (all day trips). I got a lot of 7-8 hour day trips that month (the international turns PIT-CUN, PIT-Punta Cana) so my total credit for the month ended up being around 115 (everything over 81 hours is paid at 130%)... I had to send crew pay 2 emails I believe to fix some errors but it was resolved in 3 days or less after I sent the email, no different than most regionals I'd say.
February I was bidding 6 of 6 so my entire month was/is reserve. I've been used 5 times, and was able to pick up some extra days flying and reserve days from other guys in base; so I'll credit about 85 hours. I was home (albeit I couldn't really go anywhere or drink adult beverages!) way more than a welfare bum... My wife was ready to kick me out of the house. Since I'm on a pure reserve schedule, I'm told I will not get the 130% for my hours above 81... Something we need fixed in the contract.
For march I was bidding 5 of 6 and I managed a mixed line; some days of reserve and some days of flying. It's about 10 flying days and 10 reserve days with about 11 days off, it's worth 85 hours, but I've traded with some guys to get it up to about 95. Since it's a mixed line and not pure reserve, I will get the bonus pay of 130% for all hours above 81.
I don't typically get called on reserve (I've heard that's more or less the norm at most bases) because reserves are used here (seemingly so) much like they are at the majors, only in the case of emergencies and pilot sick calls, not as gap fillers like the regionals.
My experience so far has been good to great. That's mostly because of the inherent perks of these schedules and also because the airbus is overall a good plane. Maintenance is a little lazy and under-motivated, but if you write something up, it will get looked at. Gate agents and rampers are all contracted out, probably to the lowest bidder, so you get that sort of service. I haven't been on time for more than a handful of my flights, but when we're late, it's not usually more than 45-60 minutes (if that) in total. And I almost never see a passenger that really cares... In fact, our passengers, from what I have seen, have been great, very nice and appreciative.
One other quick note... Our captains have to be constantly on the alert... They always seem to find errors in the logbook and on the paperwork, much more frequently that I saw at ExpressJet. Someone posted earlier that being a captain here comes with a much increased amount of responsibility and stress, more so than the norm; and that's exactly what I've seen... These guys are error-checking machines... Lots of mistakes seem to be made outside the flight deck. So, the quick upgrade may be a mixed blessing.
PIT is a small base, no big growth plans that I have heard of, only 1 airplane for now and the foreseeable future. The schedules are pretty bad unless you're in the top 3 slots and you can hold some of the international turns; otherwise the Florida turns are all around 4 hours of credit. International is in the morning, 6am show, and the domestic is in the afternoon, 3 or 4pm show. There's a total of 6 FO's and 6 CA's here... goes very very junior. The last bid awarded the last 5 CA spots all to PIT, the most junior guy to get it was a 7/7/15 hire, just a handful of weeks before me. So with any luck, I'll hold PIT CA on the next bid to come out (April/may) and hit the line as a CA maybe JAN of '17 (wishful ish thinking). It will get more senior with time, but for now, I'm the only pilot (Both on FO and CA side) that actually lives here, so it's real easy for me to pick up some extra flying from guys that want an extra day off here and there... trading has never been an issue with crew scheduling.
I have no doubt that the 3 majors and probably Southwest are probably better places to be for the long run (for now), but this is just as good a place as any (better than any regional) to bide your time and see whats next in store for you.
Questions/comments feel free to ask...
-Alex-
cel: 484-661-7716
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