Allegiant vs Republic
08-26-2014, 04:09 PM
#53
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Another note about HOM base (Home every Other Month):
Rental car will be provided if no airport shuttle. If there's a shuttle, then there will be a rental car shared by 2 crewmembers. At least you can trade-out grocery runs!
It would almost pay to buy an RV and get the hotel payout. The only problem being moving the thing on the potentially ONE day off between months and base changes!!
I can't believe how junior the last round of upgrades went...especially for bases other than HOM!!
Rental car will be provided if no airport shuttle. If there's a shuttle, then there will be a rental car shared by 2 crewmembers. At least you can trade-out grocery runs!
It would almost pay to buy an RV and get the hotel payout. The only problem being moving the thing on the potentially ONE day off between months and base changes!!I can't believe how junior the last round of upgrades went...especially for bases other than HOM!!
08-26-2014, 05:08 PM
#54
Where's my Mai Tai?
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One brand new captain recently refused to take an airplane into Roanoke because the auto spoilers were inop. How do you suppose that conversation went? If you guessed that dispatch questioned whether that captain should have ever upgraded you'd be right. Never mind that they were already an MD80 captain at a previous airline and made the right call on this.
Is it MEL- able? Are there performance numbers that show it will be legal? If so, not much of a leg to stand on.
edit: I looked at performance charts (not for MD-80) and it says landings distance numbers are for both auto and manual spoilers
Last edited by Swedish Blender; 08-26-2014 at 05:35 PM. Reason: performance
08-26-2014, 05:46 PM
#55
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Oh the horror. No auto spoilers. Not taking the captains right away to question things, but what do you think happened in the days before auto spoilers?
Is it MEL- able? Are there performance numbers that show it will be legal? If so, not much of a leg to stand on.
edit: I looked at performance charts (not for MD-80) and it says landings distance numbers are for both auto and manual spoilers
Is it MEL- able? Are there performance numbers that show it will be legal? If so, not much of a leg to stand on.
edit: I looked at performance charts (not for MD-80) and it says landings distance numbers are for both auto and manual spoilers
Have you flown with auto spoilers inop? I have.
Would I mix the two as a new captain with a new FO? No.
When your margin for error comes down to a few dozen feet I'll err on the side of safety. Particularly since I've looked off the end of that runway before. But what do I know compared to a dispatcher with a spreadsheet and a guy on the internet who can look up the same?
08-26-2014, 06:02 PM
#56
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Have you taken an MD80 into Roanoke? I have.
No, but I have been into ROA, but on a jet bigger than an MD-80. I've also taken 727s into shorter strips with...gasp, no auto spoilers installed.
Have you flown with auto spoilers inop? I have.
Yup, done that too
Would I mix the two as a new captain with a new FO? No.
You said he was previously a MD-80 captain at another airline
When your margin for error comes down to a few dozen feet I'll err on the side of safety. Particularly since I've looked off the end of that runway before. But what do I know compared to a dispatcher with a spreadsheet and a guy on the internet who can look up the same? Didn't look up -80 charts, used 757/767 charts
No, but I have been into ROA, but on a jet bigger than an MD-80. I've also taken 727s into shorter strips with...gasp, no auto spoilers installed.
Have you flown with auto spoilers inop? I have.
Yup, done that too
Would I mix the two as a new captain with a new FO? No.
You said he was previously a MD-80 captain at another airline
When your margin for error comes down to a few dozen feet I'll err on the side of safety. Particularly since I've looked off the end of that runway before. But what do I know compared to a dispatcher with a spreadsheet and a guy on the internet who can look up the same? Didn't look up -80 charts, used 757/767 charts
08-26-2014, 06:15 PM
#58
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As for choosing not to fly into an airport you have the numbers for and are legally dispatched, my company would have heart burn too.
A captain can make any choice he wants, but has to back it up. If it was legal, it may turn into career day.
08-26-2014, 06:17 PM
#59
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Having flown both the 757 and MD80...... I would take the 757 in to ROA over the 80 any day of the week.. The 757 is a better short field performer than the 80. The 80 has no wing. Apples and oranges
08-26-2014, 06:31 PM
#60
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I was always amazed seeing the turn offs they made when I was flying 727s. My statement still stands though. I have taken 727s into shorter fields before the days of auto-spoilers.
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