Allegiant Air
#722
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 390
Best of luck Mere, hoping to beat you out the door, along with everyone else I know. it's insaaaane here! nothing makes sense and chaos prevails. Yesterday's letter from MG sealed the deal for SO many, just like the 'F You' letter her wrote 2 years ago. The man just doesn't get it, he cant help himself and his yes men wont help him either. This place is done, no hope.
#724
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 519
Best of luck Mere, hoping to beat you out the door, along with everyone else I know. it's insaaaane here! nothing makes sense and chaos prevails. Yesterday's letter from MG sealed the deal for SO many, just like the 'F You' letter her wrote 2 years ago. The man just doesn't get it, he cant help himself and his yes men wont help him either. This place is done, no hope.
#725
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 480
Best of luck Mere, hoping to beat you out the door, along with everyone else I know. it's insaaaane here! nothing makes sense and chaos prevails. Yesterday's letter from MG sealed the deal for SO many, just like the 'F You' letter her wrote 2 years ago. The man just doesn't get it, he cant help himself and his yes men wont help him either. This place is done, no hope.
I don’t get it, you aren’t happy being different, just having a job; you wouldn’t do anything to be home every night????
#726
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 519
Most of the letter is the same tired rhetoric they have been spewing since day one. Here are the excerpts and paragraphs that would send any sane Allegiant pilot into a tirade:
" We’re frugal and we try to get the most from every dollar we spend but we also believe in long-term value and in spending money for that value. When we apply that mindset to the question of pay – for any Allegiant job – it means we offer competitive pay and benefits in exchange for a good day’s work as well as a tuition reimbursement program, investing in the development of future leaders, bonus and profit sharing programs, recognition events and more."
That "frugality" does not apply to executive compensation.
"Our dislike of fixed costs helps explains some of our positions at the bargaining table. Some provisions of union contracts can add substantially to an airline’s fixed costs. The typical union contract runs hundreds of pages and is chock full of work rules, trip rigs, minimums, per diems and more. Most of these provisions cost money but often deliver little in the way of benefits to passengers, to shareholders, the airline or even the employees these rules supposedly benefit. These “soft costs,” as they’re sometimes called, are anything but soft to an airline’s bottom line as they can add millions in expenses without offsetting gains in productivity, safety or reliability."
Notice where employees are mentioned in the pecking order. This is not a coincidence. Actually, there may be a typo in there. Shareholders always come before passengers.
" We’re frugal and we try to get the most from every dollar we spend but we also believe in long-term value and in spending money for that value. When we apply that mindset to the question of pay – for any Allegiant job – it means we offer competitive pay and benefits in exchange for a good day’s work as well as a tuition reimbursement program, investing in the development of future leaders, bonus and profit sharing programs, recognition events and more."
That "frugality" does not apply to executive compensation.
"Our dislike of fixed costs helps explains some of our positions at the bargaining table. Some provisions of union contracts can add substantially to an airline’s fixed costs. The typical union contract runs hundreds of pages and is chock full of work rules, trip rigs, minimums, per diems and more. Most of these provisions cost money but often deliver little in the way of benefits to passengers, to shareholders, the airline or even the employees these rules supposedly benefit. These “soft costs,” as they’re sometimes called, are anything but soft to an airline’s bottom line as they can add millions in expenses without offsetting gains in productivity, safety or reliability."
Notice where employees are mentioned in the pecking order. This is not a coincidence. Actually, there may be a typo in there. Shareholders always come before passengers.
#727
Soft costs... like properly staffing an airline?
Frontier has 51 planes and 770 pilots. They have good workrules (soft costs).
Allegiant has 76 planes and 420 pilots. We have bad workrules (soft costs).
Add in the fact that we have three fleets and we should have even more pilots per plane than Frontier does. That should put us at 1200 pilots. Think on that a bit.
Take out the argument of no overnights and we should still sit at around double our pilot group.
For those wondering this is the reason why upgrades have gone so junior. The lack of workrules and abuse that comes with being junior on our understaffed airline has gone that far. Keep that in mind as you come on as a newhire... people that have been here for years are refusing to live the way you're about to. And that's with a pay bump to captain. It truly is worse than anything you've ever seen and it won't change before a strike. The letter mentioned above has made that plain.
Frontier has 51 planes and 770 pilots. They have good workrules (soft costs).
Allegiant has 76 planes and 420 pilots. We have bad workrules (soft costs).
Add in the fact that we have three fleets and we should have even more pilots per plane than Frontier does. That should put us at 1200 pilots. Think on that a bit.
Take out the argument of no overnights and we should still sit at around double our pilot group.
For those wondering this is the reason why upgrades have gone so junior. The lack of workrules and abuse that comes with being junior on our understaffed airline has gone that far. Keep that in mind as you come on as a newhire... people that have been here for years are refusing to live the way you're about to. And that's with a pay bump to captain. It truly is worse than anything you've ever seen and it won't change before a strike. The letter mentioned above has made that plain.
Last edited by labbats; 09-16-2014 at 09:23 AM.
#728
Lifer
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: MD80 CA
Posts: 176
Don't forget the P.S. at the end of the letter...And a big heart felt thank you to the few pilots for the productive lunch & chat. I hope all of your issues have now been put to rest. :0
#729
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 480
We need to start a well planned round of informational picketing sometime this winter or early spring, to get the point across. So, that our position as a group can't be dismissed as just coming from the union. Some well-placed bulletin boards around the new headquarters would be a nice start. We are sure to be regulars in court, so when our potential and current judge’s presiding over our case, wont be the least bit surprised.
That will be the next round of propaganda from the company; Dues check off. That was one of the items the FA’s couldn’t get past, via their dis-unity. It will sound something like this: “We’re ready to offer a deal if your union would just agree to no dues check off.” Of course the ultimate objective being non-compliance of any agreement. No union dues check off, means no ability to fight our other than honorable leaders in court. Rendering any contract worthless. Compliance will be the next fight.
That will be the next round of propaganda from the company; Dues check off. That was one of the items the FA’s couldn’t get past, via their dis-unity. It will sound something like this: “We’re ready to offer a deal if your union would just agree to no dues check off.” Of course the ultimate objective being non-compliance of any agreement. No union dues check off, means no ability to fight our other than honorable leaders in court. Rendering any contract worthless. Compliance will be the next fight.
#730
I think the next fight for most of us is getting hired elsewhere.
We've finally hit the point of no more excuses for staying.
We've finally hit the point of no more excuses for staying.
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