Allegiant Air
07-24-2015, 06:16 PM
#3312
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airwolf.lmtonline.com/news/archive/011400/pagea10.pdf
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"Pilot's Trial Offers Inside Look At Airlines and Safety Disputes"
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"Pilot's Trial Offers Inside Look At Airlines and Safety Disputes"
07-24-2015, 06:33 PM
#3313
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
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Ughhh....this is painful to watch/listen to.
"Your company dispatch should have known about this for months."
NOTAM even has the number tower gave him over the radio.
FDC 5/5699 ZMP ND..AIRSPACE FARGO, ND..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION. DUE TO THE U.S. NAVY BLUE ANGELS, THE U.S. NAVY LEAPFROGS, THE USMC HARRIER AND VARIOUS OTHER AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS, EFFECTIVE 1507231700 UNTIL 1507232200, 1507241700 UNTIL 1507242200, 1507251600 UNTIL 1507252200, AND 1507261600 UNTIL 1507262200. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.145, MANAGEMENT OF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS IN THE VICINITY OF AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS AND MAJOR SPORTING EVENTS, AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 5 NM RADIUS OF 465430N0964859W OR THE FARGO /FAR/ VORTAC 360 DEGREE RADIAL AT 9.4 NM, SFC-16000FT UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. MARK RINGHAM, PHONE 701-866-9078, IS THE POINT OF CONTACT. THE FARGO /FAR/ ATCT, PHONE 701-235-8894, IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY. 1507231700-1507262200EST
So where did they land? I never heard them back with FAR tower.
"Your company dispatch should have known about this for months."
NOTAM even has the number tower gave him over the radio.
FDC 5/5699 ZMP ND..AIRSPACE FARGO, ND..TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION. DUE TO THE U.S. NAVY BLUE ANGELS, THE U.S. NAVY LEAPFROGS, THE USMC HARRIER AND VARIOUS OTHER AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS, EFFECTIVE 1507231700 UNTIL 1507232200, 1507241700 UNTIL 1507242200, 1507251600 UNTIL 1507252200, AND 1507261600 UNTIL 1507262200. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION 91.145, MANAGEMENT OF AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS IN THE VICINITY OF AERIAL DEMONSTRATIONS AND MAJOR SPORTING EVENTS, AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN A 5 NM RADIUS OF 465430N0964859W OR THE FARGO /FAR/ VORTAC 360 DEGREE RADIAL AT 9.4 NM, SFC-16000FT UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. MARK RINGHAM, PHONE 701-866-9078, IS THE POINT OF CONTACT. THE FARGO /FAR/ ATCT, PHONE 701-235-8894, IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY. 1507231700-1507262200EST
So where did they land? I never heard them back with FAR tower.
07-24-2015, 06:42 PM
#3314
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They declared an emergency and landed at FAR
07-24-2015, 06:53 PM
#3315
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Wow, just wow! Well at least the company will now have to report to the FAA on just how this can happen in 2015. Where are the checks and balances from dispatch to flight crew to station managers, someone(s) has seriously dropped the ball and should be held accountable.
Reminds me of a time sitting on the ground in Pago Pago about 10 years ago, waiting for the notamed field hours of 7am to 7pm as they were repaving sections of the field each night and during preflight at about 6am heard another military jet check in with tower and ask to land, tower told them impossible as asphalt was not ready to go for another hour.
Luckily that jet had some reserves and actually diverted over to Western Samoa (about 100 miles away or so) and got some gas before returning to pago pago.
I remember thinking at the time who flies for 5+ hours into the middle of the pacific without reading the notams for the field you intend to land at? Crazy complacency.
Reminds me of a time sitting on the ground in Pago Pago about 10 years ago, waiting for the notamed field hours of 7am to 7pm as they were repaving sections of the field each night and during preflight at about 6am heard another military jet check in with tower and ask to land, tower told them impossible as asphalt was not ready to go for another hour.
Luckily that jet had some reserves and actually diverted over to Western Samoa (about 100 miles away or so) and got some gas before returning to pago pago.
I remember thinking at the time who flies for 5+ hours into the middle of the pacific without reading the notams for the field you intend to land at? Crazy complacency.
07-24-2015, 07:08 PM
#3316
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: MD80
Posts: 188
Wow, just wow! Well at least the company will now have to report to the FAA on just how this can happen in 2015. Where are the checks and balances from dispatch to flight crew to station managers, someone(s) has seriously dropped the ball and should be held accountable.
Reminds me of a time sitting on the ground in Pago Pago about 10 years ago, waiting for the notamed field hours of 7am to 7pm as they were repaving sections of the field each night and during preflight at about 6am heard another military jet check in with tower and ask to land, tower told them impossible as asphalt was not ready to go for another hour.
Luckily that jet had some reserves and actually diverted over to Western Samoa (about 100 miles away or so) and got some gas before returning to pago pago.
I remember thinking at the time who flies for 5+ hours into the middle of the pacific without reading the notams for the field you intend to land at? Crazy complacency.
Reminds me of a time sitting on the ground in Pago Pago about 10 years ago, waiting for the notamed field hours of 7am to 7pm as they were repaving sections of the field each night and during preflight at about 6am heard another military jet check in with tower and ask to land, tower told them impossible as asphalt was not ready to go for another hour.
Luckily that jet had some reserves and actually diverted over to Western Samoa (about 100 miles away or so) and got some gas before returning to pago pago.
I remember thinking at the time who flies for 5+ hours into the middle of the pacific without reading the notams for the field you intend to land at? Crazy complacency.
Yes... Someone should be held accountable. Too bad that's the vp of flight ops and he was in the left seat.
07-24-2015, 09:00 PM
#3317
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Position: MD80
Posts: 34
So, was this goof-up due to not being aware of the airshow restrictions going on in Fargo on July 23rd? Seems a little odd for the flight to run so tight on fuel onboard, what if Fargo had been closed for hours for some reason, how would they get to their alternate? Pilot said he would be on bingo fuel in about 3 minutes, "We don't have enough fuel to go anywhere else". I wonder how late in the flight they realized that landing in Fargo was un-routine that day.
07-24-2015, 09:39 PM
#3318
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07-24-2015, 09:55 PM
#3320
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I wonder if the 166 folks in back and crew that held total faith in ole Greg's decision making realized, by his own admission, that they "didn't have twenty minutes".
I wonder if they realize that they wouldn't even have made it to Grand Forks if there had been something preventing them from clearing the runway in FAR.
I wonder if Greg thinks about all the lives he put in harm's way as he tried desperately over the radio to make his own failings the ATC guy's, just like he does everyday back at the office.
I wonder if they realize that they wouldn't even have made it to Grand Forks if there had been something preventing them from clearing the runway in FAR.
I wonder if Greg thinks about all the lives he put in harm's way as he tried desperately over the radio to make his own failings the ATC guy's, just like he does everyday back at the office.
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