Allegiant Air
06-13-2015, 03:16 PM
#2831
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Someone once asked Frank Lorenzo when he was going to pay his pilots more.
"When you make me," he is rumored to have said.
"When you make me," he is rumored to have said.
06-13-2015, 03:21 PM
#2832
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 103
What makes you think new pilots will stop applying to allegiant when there are plenty of people applying and getting hired at places like gojet and psa? I think you have a point if that were to happen, you would have stronger bargaining power but let's be realistic here.
06-13-2015, 04:37 PM
#2833
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 390
What makes you think new pilots will stop applying to allegiant when there are plenty of people applying and getting hired at places like gojet and psa? I think you have a point if that were to happen, you would have stronger bargaining power but let's be realistic here.
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
06-13-2015, 05:36 PM
#2834
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Off to the left!
Posts: 465
If you look at past history of this thread, people looking to come to Allegiant don't believe it's as bad as what people on here make it out to be. Once they show up and realize it really IS as bad as what they were told, it's too late.
I left after almost ten years at Allegiant. It's one of the best decisions I ever made.
I left after almost ten years at Allegiant. It's one of the best decisions I ever made.
06-13-2015, 05:43 PM
#2835
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,922
True, it's perplexing to me that guys qualified to work elsewhere are risking their careers and family applying to Allegiant. They could just as easily apply at a quality airline like JB, WN, Spirit that cares about their employees. Or, wait for a legacy. It's only a matter of time before all airlines will be fighting over minimally qualified pilots.
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
Coming from a airline with a extremely hostile work environment due to 8+ years of CBA negotiations, I'm well aware of what I'd be getting into.
I could be wrong, but 10 yrs at a crappy regional has made me slightly crazy.
06-13-2015, 06:10 PM
#2836
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Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: MD80
Posts: 188
True, it's perplexing to me that guys qualified to work elsewhere are risking their careers and family applying to Allegiant. They could just as easily apply at a quality airline like JB, WN, Spirit that cares about their employees. Or, wait for a legacy. It's only a matter of time before all airlines will be fighting over minimally qualified pilots.
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
How exactly are people risking their careers and families by applying to Allegiant?
I, like most of you, wish people would stop applying so we could put more pressure on Management to work out a fair contract; but I'm all about honestly. Saying coming here is career suicide or implying that you're going to die or get divorced simply because you work for Allegiant is absurd.
What did you guys think getting a first contract was going to be like? We're almost 3 years into what is generally a very long process. You thought the company was going to roll over and give us everything we wanted right away??
Again, I wish people would stop applying only to help further our cause, but that's not reality. Fortunately, most people in this profession are pro union and don't want to alienate themselves from the pilot group. One more supporter... One more picketer.. One more person not to extend... We don't have a probationary period here so they can jump in and help from day 1.
06-13-2015, 06:29 PM
#2837
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 196
06-13-2015, 06:59 PM
#2838
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Posts: 390
How exactly are people risking their careers and families by applying to Allegiant?
I, like most of you, wish people would stop applying so we could put more pressure on Management to work out a fair contract; but I'm all about honestly. Saying coming here is career suicide or implying that you're going to die or get divorced simply because you work for Allegiant is absurd.
I, like most of you, wish people would stop applying so we could put more pressure on Management to work out a fair contract; but I'm all about honestly. Saying coming here is career suicide or implying that you're going to die or get divorced simply because you work for Allegiant is absurd.
Family? Ask the guys that were sent TDY for months, some cases over a year, away from family, unable to commute.
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06-13-2015, 07:45 PM
#2839
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
Let me start by declaring, I am not a union official of any kind. This is my opinion as a lone line pilot at g4. From where I sit, the pulse of our pilot group is thus:
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..
Don't be surprised if you're NOT welcome.
New hires are not seen as helping the cause so don't be surprised by a cold shoulder from many. Pilots, even senior captains, are leaving in record numbers due to deplorable treatment and working conditions. Thanks to recent court rulings and a powerless FAA, the company is proudly boasting it's ability to expand without constraints or obligations to follow its own work rules. If things were bad before, they are much worse now.
With a steady supply of eager applicants, the company sees no need to negotiate and will try to drag negotiations out for years. You are NOT helping by coming here. The company celebrates the departure of our senior pilots as they welcome a fresh batch of willing, cheaper replacements happy to do the company's bidding without the protections of a union contract. Fresh off its legal victories, management is emboldened and determined to rid itself of unions altogether. Thanks to management's tactics two of the three unions are already on the ropes and the pilot group appears to be the next target on their list. Much of their success in defeating the Flight Attendants and replacing them with fresh new ones. You are the new ones in this case.
Clearly this is also the plan with the pilots and new applicants are essential to management's plan: to position itself as a niche between the regional sector and the majors. They are not interested in career employees, just those willing to come and punch their ticket get some experience and move on. Regional 2.0. Training cost are seen as negligible because here so little is spent on training. By coming here you are agreeing to work at a place that has no work rules and will do whatever's necessary to avoid having them. Allegiant is attempting to permanently alter the profession through it's attack on quality of life and standard of living. Coming here now, you will only be enabling the demise of our profession and risking your certificate through shoddy training, minimal support and poorly maintained airplanes.
Our pilots are in the struggle of their careers trying to hold the line against an Anti-Union company he11-bent on profits, unrestrained by government agencies, common sense or safety. Coming to Allegiant during our time of strife just helps them with their agenda. Think twice about coming here till after a contract is signed, otherwise you might find a cold welcome..
Troop..
06-13-2015, 07:48 PM
#2840
Banned
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Da Bus
Posts: 481
True, it's perplexing to me that guys qualified to work elsewhere are risking their careers and family applying to Allegiant. They could just as easily apply at a quality airline like JB, WN, Spirit that cares about their employees. Or, wait for a legacy. It's only a matter of time before all airlines will be fighting over minimally qualified pilots.
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
If senior captains are jumping ship, how do new guys feel they're gonna get treated?
Captain Durden, to the rescue!!!!!!
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