tom11011

The executive suite is entitled to what they have simply because its either their company to do with as they please -or- the owners of the company are giving them the money as they see fit.

The fact that one wrong move by a pilot can bring the company down has nothing to do with your level of compensation. It has everything to do with your level of professionalism which I am now starting to really question. You've basically now moved from entitlement/welfare to robbery. Why don't you just hold a gun to their face.

I'll say it again. You are entitled to NOTHING. You deserve NOTHING. Tell me something, how much will be enough to satisfy you? At what point is the company a bunch of good guys?

If you don't like where you work you change jobs like everyone else, or you start your own company, or you negotiate in good faith. And if you do start your own company with your hard earned dollars, sweat, and tears, I sure hope you don't have someone like yourself telling you exactly what you should be doing and what you should be paying them.

Hey, don't get me wrong, I hope you guys negotiate a whole bunch of money. I think somehow, someway, the concept of capitalism is lost on you. It's the American way you know.

tailendcharlie

I will say I've always found it curious/amusing that folks have their 401k's & they have charts and alerts and they're tracking their balances all the time, changing funds, etc.... Yet somehow the execs. at the company they work for are supposed to play by different rules than the execs. at companies in their portfolio? They're somehow shocked that their company is focused on shareholder equity?

SayAlt

Ignoring most of the unsubstantiated and frankly hilarious BS in your previous post, I've already addressed this question...

What part of this are you having trouble understanding?


Also.......


I agree. As long as we're talking about PRIVATELY HELD companies.

But we're not. We're talking about publicly traded companies.

FirstClass

Like a master with a recalcitrant student, I linger in hopes of redeeming you. Why don't we take some money out of your paycheck and give it to the employees who make less money than you do.

SayAlt

Stocks are for suckers. Esp. these days.

Cash-flowing real estate has always been (and always will be) where it's at.

Btw, whoever said that "the execs. at the company they work for are supposed to play by different rules than the execs. at companies in their portfolio"? I haven't seen one person make that argument.

SayAlt

Please, by all means, "redeem" me. Just do it with logic, sound debate, and no insults.

So far, all we've heard is:
"YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING" (never said I was).
"YOU DESERVE NOTHING" (never said I did)

...but since I'm at it, yes, all professional pilots DESERVE fair compensation to the level of responsibility and risk we are tasked with managing. Which, on a day-to-day basis, is arguably comparable to any senior level exec....and I would argue more, as our mistakes could actually kill people, not just affect co. stock price and/or profitability.

CLMP

If America's version of "capitalism" continues unabated, we won't need to have this discussion in the future because the middle class (those who actually fly on our airlines) won't exist anymore, and neither will these companies and all of their executives. We either need to have a completely free market or a heavily regulated one with a level playing field. This in-between garbage is going to bury us all.

What am I talking about?

-Selective government bailouts propping up poorly (and sometimes criminally) run corporations

-The RLA which severely limits the rights of labor in the transportation industry.

-Lobbyists for special interests influencing legislation that is heavily tilted on the side of big money.

I agree that we are not entitled to anything and we must negotiate for everything. Unfortunately, the system is rigged in favor of business and severely limits the methods and leverage available to negotiate such gains.

And the worst perpetrators? Ourselves. We could all quit tomorrow and there would be young starry-eyed pilots chomping at the bit to take our places. This leaves little incentive to negotiate. However, all of this posturing is getting Wall Street's attention, which may be their only motivation other than a complete work stoppage.

SayAlt

That's what mgmt ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶s̶ NEEDS you to think.

This isn't 2001 anymore.

toiletpaper

[QUOTE=SayAlt;1870725]Your user name fits your post well, sir. Good pick!


As to my user name, it was chosen in an effort to capture my opinion, of many of the whining post that plague this forums.

Now...

Tom is correct. What a CEO makes is not any more of your business, than your salary is the business, of say, the crew that cleans the airplane. I don't see them posting charts of pilot's income.

You, Sir, would be well advise to focus your efforts towards negotiating a more favorable contract, rather than wasting energy and time researching and posting what other people make. It is utterly irrelevant to your objective, and frankly, comes across, as a little envious and immature.

Personally, I hope you can make $ 1,000000000.00 a year. It has no reflection on me, or what I make. See the point?

Don't have the time or inclination to engage in a long discussion. Was just expressing an opinion. Have a nice day.

SayAlt

Exactly what I said.

Now...

I see you are having trouble understanding the difference between a public and private company too. That is your problem here. As long as it is a PUBLICLY TRADED company, yes, it is my business. The SEC (ie. the gov't) says so and REQUIRES the disclosure of exec. compensation. Thanks.

No, I don't.

If airline exec's are going to point at profitability to negotiate for higher salaries and bonuses, and get them....which they have..., I fail to see how pointing at their successful efforts should be ignored by anyone else "negotiating a more favorable contract" for themselves.

This ESPECIALLY holds true when profitability is rising, so is exec. suite compensation, and yet pilot groups are being asked for concessions. ALL of which IS happening now. Today.