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Old 07-04-2014, 09:09 PM
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FOs are Type Rated.
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:03 PM
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Pilots hired at Allegiant can expect to be based in "TDY Base". The new "TDY Base" will be the junior base. This means you will be assigned just about anywhere (on a monthly basis) that Allegiant has a base and bid your system seniority in that base. As a junior pilot in that base, you would most likely end up on reserve (90 min. call out) with 10 days off. Most junior pilots would also expect multiple single days off throughout the month.

30 day example:
on off on on on off on
on on off off on on on
off on off on on on off
on on on off off on on
on off
As I have heard, this has also been a common schedule in 2014 for fairly senior pilots at Allegiant.

This means, if you live in the Northwest and are assigned somewhere in Florida or other base with a substantial commute, you would have a difficult time getting home that month, if at all. You may also end up in that base for several months. Trip trades and drops appear to be extremely difficult, so that doesn't seem to be a good option to help get home.

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Old 07-05-2014, 02:44 AM
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Time2Fly. Time2Apply some place else. You can do better man.
Can't you?
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:15 AM
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Can't you?
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hovernut
FOs are Type Rated.
New ones are cause they have to be. But the FOs that were here before the new rules took effect are still just SIC rated. And so far as I've asked around they still don't have a program to do that yet. Clocks a ticking.
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
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Hope is eternal.

So... Any hard feelings when I see you on line?

I am well aware of how things are there, and I would be happy to join any of you on the picket line when that time comes. We are all looking for different things in life and right now Allegiant would work for me. Besides I have Stockholm syndrome from being abused by several regionals..
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Originally Posted by pilotsunited
Pilots hired at Allegiant can expect to be based in "TDY Base". The new "TDY Base" will be the junior base. This means you will be assigned just about anywhere (on a monthly basis) that Allegiant has a base and bid your system seniority in that base. As a junior pilot in that base, you would most likely end up on reserve (90 min. call out) with 10 days off. Most junior pilots would also expect multiple single days off throughout the month.

30 day example:
on off on on on off on
on on off off on on on
off on off on on on off
on on on off off on on
on off
As I have heard, this has also been a common schedule in 2014 for fairly senior pilots at Allegiant.

This means, if you live in the Northwest and are assigned somewhere in Florida or other base with a substantial commute, you would have a difficult time getting home that month, if at all. You may also end up in that base for several months. Trip trades and drops appear to be extremely difficult, so that doesn't seem to be a good option to help get home.
The junior LAS CA has been assigned out if base something like 16 of the last 17 months. The junior IWA CA about the same amount. The IWA guy says he's only getting home maybe 1-2 days every 3 weeks or so...the schedules are that bad. The LAX TDY lines I know of have basically been start early day one, end late day five. Then have 1, maybe 2 days off. In June most the LAX guys I talked to said they changed hotels 3-4 times. No car to start the month, just a shuttle that was unreliable and only to take you to/from work.
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Old 07-05-2014, 08:52 AM
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From what I am hearing from my friends and others that were in the last couple new hire classes:

Those from the DEC and JAN class are just finishing training.
The FAA took away some of Allegiant's training capability due to substantial issues during an inspection.
Some time this last spring the FAA finally approved the sim training (LOFT?) for the new hires to complete.
That is a long time on $2,000 a month away from home with no per diem or hotel. I hear they may be getting paid more (guarantee?), but only after a few months, but nothing solid.

Pilots who just finished the last ground school, have been told to go home for a couple months until they can get in the sim. They are not sure if it is another FAA action, broken sim, or a back log in the sim.

Pilots who were assigned Florida bases out of training are being told they will most likely end up in the new TDY base because of a lack of more senior pilots bidding it. That is a tough pill for some of the guys who uprooted their family and moved to Florida.
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Old 07-05-2014, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Time2Fly
Besides I have Stockholm syndrome from being abused by several regionals..
This is exactly what has kept the resume stack high for the better part of a decade. Sadly, 9 times out of 10 it turns into a "out of the frying pan and into the fire" situation. You'll see.
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Old 07-05-2014, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Time2Fly
So... Any hard feelings when I see you on line?

I am well aware of how things are there, and I would be happy to join any of you on the picket line when that time comes. We are all looking for different things in life and right now Allegiant would work for me. Besides I have Stockholm syndrome from being abused by several regionals..
No, no hard feelings at all to those that come. We warn guys that want to come here for their own good. Admittedly, some feel that if the applicants dry up we will get a contract sooner and that may be true, might not be, but the reality is, it really is THAT bad here. To NOT warn applicants of the reality would be unfair. You really need to know what you are getting in to by coming here, especially right now. It may get better, it may get worse, but right now it is so bad it is difficult to fully convey on a forum, only to live it can you really see the day to day issues that wear you down. From other posts, it looks like even our interviewers are warning applicants about the difficulty commuting etc. When it gets to that point, (where you are being warned in an interview when normally thats when they are blowing sunshine and rainbows), you know its bad. Not only is your quality of life going to be poor for some time if not indefinitely, you are going to witness an operation completely out of control in every department, and YOU will be responsible for catching these errors, whether it be dispatch paperwork, errors in the logbook, errors in scheduling, bids, or the chronic errors in pay reports.
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