Packrat

EXACTLY! What you have here is a bunch of blowhards. What you have at the MEC/NC is people who are, apparently, unsure that the pilot group will actually go out.

Packrat

Again, then why aren't you out there? No confidence in the rank and file? Too many eager beavers wanting your jobs?

disco inferno

How are things at Net Jets? Is everyone back from furlough yet? When are you guys getting a raise? Your pay there sucks. Being on the road 7 days a week must really suck. I bet being stuck in a hotel for a week straight month after month and year after year could really take a toll on a guy. You may start to lose it after a while. Eventually your peers at other companies might start to notice you being a kcirp.

Allegiant is hiring. Nevermind, enjoy your mediocre fractional pay and the Holiday Inn express on Christmas eve.

4andCounting

Just to clarify, and I am not trying to insult anyone.

The proffer for release was denied by the NMB?

There may be another way to strike to regain status quo but the Union at this point is not willing to do this?

Sorry, with all the back and forth its hard to actually track whats going on.

tyler durden

I'm not on the inside track, but having been through a strike, I know there's a ton of preparation leading up to it. I here final preparations are ongoing so its probably within a week or two. Not sure but I wouldn't want to broadcast a firm date or yes/no to management prematurely so i assume it's a tight window. You don't want to haphazardly launch into it without full preparation or it could backfire. It's coming.

Uncle Wurmy

No, it was not denied. No reply yet.

No one said the union was unwilling to do anything. Not sure where you got that. In fact the G4 people on here are saying quite the opposite. Only Rat is trying to paint the picture that this isn't going to happen.

In the end, who cares what Rat or anyone else thinks? Just stand by and see what really happens.

tyler durden

I'm beginning to believe the little rodent is in management.

crxpilot

Understandably most outsiders are not aware of the two paths that the allegiant pilots currently have.
The first being the "normal" release from NMB into a 30 day cooling off period. This is for a new contract. Of course as usual, the wheels of progress are slow with the NMB and its a waiting game with them. (My only beef with the NMB is their job is to bring parties together or let them "self-help", stalling and doing nothing accomplishes nothing for anyone except maybe plays into managements hands).
The second option, not well known is a status quo strike, independent of NMB. A federal judge has ruled several "major" violations against Allegiant for disregarding status quo while negotiating a new contract. Allegiant then has flagrantly continued to ignore the federal injunction placed upon them by the court. Because of this, along with supporting legal precedence, a status quo strike can be called at ANY time (and yes multiple status quo strikes can be held if management says they will resume proper work rules but then 2 weeks later go back on their word). The status quo strike can only be held to uphold current work rules in place, not for the new contract.....which as stated above would continue to have to wait for NMB to release for.
I believe the IBT is very thorough and making sure all the ducks line up before calling the status quo strike. No need to be rash about it. I am glad they are not being cavalier with our jobs.
The real sad part about all of this is the lack of responsibility of management to come to the table and "do the right thing". Pride goeth before the fall. Our backs are getting really tired Yertle the Turtle!

Xbone

Hmm..

CLMP

1. There are reasons why we are waiting a bit to walk. Just trust the process. Victory will come from calculated decisions, not emotional ones. Ignore the squeaking rat from the cheap seats.

2. Yes, if that's what it takes. Only an idiotic and short-sighted management team would provoke two separate strikes, but from what we've seen, it's certainly possible.