Packrat

That's what the ignore feature is for...those of you who can't stand the truth.

The Chow

You sound eerily like a management pilot. "Dirtbag operation", "hang two good engines", honestly who speaks like that? And who are you, Mr. I don't even work here, to question our resolve or set our expectations?

*****.

Packrat

You are entitled to your expectations. Don't be surprised if they aren't met. Again, Chow, if you can't stand the truth, push the ignore button. But I'd listen to someone who has BTDT.

Autothrust

Then BFD. Just put my stuff out and move on down the road. If we can't get a contract worth having then it's not worth staying here. That and there are plenty of places hiring that already have good contracts. We've got one shot and we are going for it. Win or lose we are standing up.

Packrat

I certainly hope so. However, consider some facts:

1. Most of your pilots signed on when Allegiant had no union and one of the weirdest pay scales in the industry.
2. It took over a decade of abuse for your pilots to wake up and finally get a union on the property.
3. Your compadres here on APC will "settle for nothing less" than AA or DL pay rates.
4. They're expecting this from a company who underfunded the Training Department so badly the FAA shut it down for 6 months.
5. The Company underfunded the Maintenance Department so badly you've had over half your MD fleet experience an engine fire/failure/rollback in the last two and a half years.
6. Your pilot group allowed management to establish a pilot base that is so onerous that new hires are holding Captain bids before they complete F/O IOE.

Do you seriously think you're going to get industry leading (or even comparable) pay/work rules out of your managers? That's a laugher.

The last contract I experienced, the picture was the same. Guys walking around talking the big talk you read about in this thread. 98% strike vote authorization. When the Negotiators brought back something less, over 80% voted FOR it. Afterwards, you couldn't find a single pilot who admitted voting for it.

Personally, I hope you succeed. The history of FIRST contracts at an airline would contraindicate that however.

But, good luck anyway. I sincerely hope you get what you deserve.

GVGUY

Since Rat has not disputed your claim, clearly, one if not both theories are correct.

The Chow

I wonder if we will be buying any of American's 80s

American Airlines filed information on financing it plans for new aircraft, and the info includes a time line for eliminating the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 from its fleet.

The 140-seat aircraft, long the most numerous in the AA fleet, was finally passed by the Boeing 737-800 in 2012. The final 34 MD-80s will leave the fleet in 2017, according to the disclosures.



The filing calls the Boeing 737-800 the “workhorse” and “backbone of the American fleet. The Boeing 737-800 now accounts for ore than 40 percent of American’s domestic flying capacity as measured in available seat miles flown. It now provides more capacity than the MD-80 and the regional partners combined.

disco inferno

Hi Maury! Enjoying a troll through the pilot forums again I see.

WindChk

I would imagine that, if the price is right, G4 could use some of that cash to buy quite a few MD80s. However, I thought G4 was gearing towards an AB fleet. It's all about the bottom line, though.

Please keep the updates coming guys!

sulkair

Seriously guys!?!? Rat's not a Troll! Nor is he a wana-be. He's a valuable contributor to APC with lots of experience to share. Any open minded person should welcome alternative viewpoints.

Furthermore - you guys don't OWN the APC Allegiant thread. It's an open forum for a reason. Create your own internal message board if you don't like outsiders chiming in on your issues.

Maybe if you guys were open to at least entertaining some of the warnings made, you'd be better prepared to avert many pitfalls that loom.

We're all acutely interested in the your guys' outcome, as it impacts all of us.