grnclvrs

This. And if I have to walk for it then year 12 better be year 1.

Packrat

Because I think you're unrealistic thinking you're going to get top of the line pay on your first contract, especially with a dirt bag operation like Allegiant.

Heck, they won't even hang two good engines on your MDs and you seem to think they're going to roll over and give you Legacy airline pay. All I hear is lots of "I won't accept less" bravado.

Lets see what happens when you hit the bricks. A couple months on strike and your "demands" may change. Personally, I doubt that you as a group have the gumption to really shut the place down, but that remains to be seen.

Again, I fully support your attempt to make things right, but at this point I also think some of you who post here are unrealistic. You may be fire eaters individually, but I'd be willing to bet there are enough in your rank and file who will accept $175 for top Captain pay and some modest gains in work rules.

But, like I said before, you have to shoot for the moon to get over the fence. Anything you gain with your FIRST contract will be better than what you have now. Sometimes small steps are better in the long run. Just don't be stupid and accept a long term contract.

Airline pilot contracts should be NO MORE than 4 years. The industry changes too much too quickly.

Best of luck. I hope you get what you deserve.

tyler durden

-Yawn-

Rat knows little about us or any other of the airline threads he trolls around pontificating on. Sort of a village idiot, mildly amusing at first, but gets old fast.

CLMP

I'm growing tired of the "don't expect much from your first contract" rhetoric. This sounds like a phrase that was coined by Ford & Harrison, much like the jewelry industry telling unsuspecting men that they have to spend "3 months salary" on an engagement ring. There is zero rationale for either of these.

We are dealing with a management team that has made themselves extremely wealthy by skimping on compensation, staffing, and infrastructure for over 15 years. They have publicly admitted to shareholders that they are going to be so awash with cash due to the price of oil, that they will not know what to do with it all. This isn't about not being able to pay. It's about not WANTING to pay or to even acknowledge the contributions of a pilot group who make this operation successful not because of management, but in spite of it. However, all of the hoping and wishing does nothing without action. Although we are a gnat in the grand scheme of things, the rest of the industry will be watching to see how we handle this perilous slide to the bottom. Cheap oil, huge airline profits, and an improving pilot job market are upon us. There will probably never be a time like this in our careers again. Why would we waste it by settling for 2007 wages?

Packrat

They don't care about you, your pay, your work rules or anything else except keeping butts in the seats. They have no interest in anything except "enhancing shareholder value."

As long as they have people applying for jobs and willing to accept your homeless base for a 3 month upgrade, you aren't getting top of the industry pay. Unless, of course, your GROUP (as opposed to vocal web board individuals) has the moxie to stick out a protracted strike.

It's all a moot point anyway. You haven't been released to self help, so at this point it's all huffing and puffing anyway. You may find that a 99% strike VOTE doesn't translate into people who are willing to accept less rather than lose a month's pay.

Sorry if this offends you "shut it down" radicals. Just attempting to shine the light of reality on your fantasy. Believe it or not, Unionism is sadly on the wane in this country. You may want to check your demographics to see how many of the "me first" generation are on your seniority list.

They have no idea the struggle our predecessors went through to make this profession worthwhile. Will they be willing to make that kind of sacrifice? Only you guys can answer that.

Time2Fly

Is there some kind of exterminator we can find here? There seems to be rat problem that just won't go away.

Xbone

To anyone just joining us, Rat is truly that. He continually does this. He does not work at G4. Yet finds it necessary to chime in on a g4 thread. A few theories circling around, as to who this dip s h i t is:

A) Random wanna be.
B) Retired old-timer Alaska, now Netjets.

CLMP

Yes, very creepy. Similar to a guy in a windowless van who parks in front of a school playground or a guy to goes to Chuck E Cheese's without a kid.

HVYMETALDRVR

What'd you guys think of the CC and ensuing email today?

Xbone

Standing room only, so to speak. The line was jam-packed. Lots of balls in the air. Everyone is engaged and waiting for the “word”..