Allegiant Air
01-23-2015, 07:23 PM
#1591
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Hrnt,
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
01-23-2015, 07:32 PM
#1592
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: F/A-18 Pilot
Posts: 54
Hrnt,
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
Eye opening...so it sounds like they have as good of a track record as the mighty hornet I flew...that old girl had a lot of emergencies...but I had a tail hook...and an ejection seat with no passengers to worry about. I appreciate the continued information. I want to make an informed decision. I want to join a great company...and I would like to fly safe equipment...
01-23-2015, 07:35 PM
#1593
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
I know 161 pages of posts is a lot of reading, but read this whole thread paying attention to what the Allegiant pilots themselves are saying.
IMHO, you'd be better off going to a regional like SKW.
IMHO, you'd be better off going to a regional like SKW.
01-23-2015, 07:48 PM
#1594
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: F/A-18 Pilot
Posts: 54
Hrnt,
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
The reason they called you right away is, as a military guy, you have no allegiance to the Union way of life. Be advised that if these guys do strike, you, as a probationary pilot will be expected to cross the picket line. If you don't, you'll be fired. If you do, you're a scab. Neither position is optimum.
If I were you, I'd run, not walk away from Allegiant. Read this whole thread and you'll see why these guys are hot to strike. I don't blame them and hope they get a chance to rake this PoS excuses airline over the coals.
BTW, you do realize this mamagement cuts corners on maintenance don't you. They just had ANOTHER air return for smoke in the cabin. Add to that 36 engine fire/failures in the last two years. If you go there, you need to be sharp on your EPs. You might notice the pilots here don't care to hear the truth about their situation. I guess it's because they're ashamed of their bad choices.
At least they're attempting to remedy those choices, but even though they've had an overwhelming positive strike vote, they may just find the numbers don't match those who are willing to walk.
Key point to remember is this...if it goes down while you're on probation, the Union can't protect you. Being a scab is a scarlet letter and getting fired will kill your chances for getting hired at a reputable airline.
Good luck with your choices. From one ex-NATOPS officer to a brother, you can do much better with less career risk.
Just a thought...since I am a reservist...if the strike goes down for this company...I can go on orders for a while...until the issue if taken care of...I'm not scabbing...I'm not striking...I'm just doing my military duty...possible idea to combat the political BS?
01-23-2015, 07:53 PM
#1595
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 519
While your service is appreciated, keep in mind that in the civilian world, all pay and benefits we receive are a direct result of the unity of the pilot groups. It is not decided for us. Now if you have orders, you have orders. But to choose to run away when your fellow pilots are fighting to better the situation only to return and reap the rewards? Not sure how that would be received.
01-23-2015, 07:56 PM
#1596
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Love it...actually I'm an F-18 guy by trade...
2500 hours
2200 PIC
2100 Turbine
2200 Multi engine.
300 civilian
ATP
Aviation Safety Officer
Natops Check Pilot
Instrument Check Pilot
Instructor Pilot....
I think that is the important stuff...
Just looking for a job like everyone else.
I am trying to digest everything....why is it a potentially poor career move...even if it is short term for experience in the 121 environment? Thanks for all input.
2500 hours
2200 PIC
2100 Turbine
2200 Multi engine.
300 civilian
ATP
Aviation Safety Officer
Natops Check Pilot
Instrument Check Pilot
Instructor Pilot....
I think that is the important stuff...
Just looking for a job like everyone else.
I am trying to digest everything....why is it a potentially poor career move...even if it is short term for experience in the 121 environment? Thanks for all input.
With those quals and a job in the reserves as you claim, unless you've been blackballed you should be getting a calls from:
Delta
AA
UAL
JB
Alaska
VA
Spirit?
If your not, you either have no friends, or no one likes you..... just saying...
01-23-2015, 07:57 PM
#1597
Banned
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 7th green
Posts: 4,378
Remember as a probationary pilot they can fire you for not reporting for work, strike or no strike. And you can bet that no military leaves will be approved during a strike.
If you have a termination on your PRIA, you can kiss an airline career goodbye, at least with the Majors. And you don't want to be known as a scab...that will ruin your life, unless you don't mind being a professional outcast.
Think this one over carefully. It's lose/lose if a strike goes down...and these guys seem pretty serious that it's going to take a strike to remedy the problems at their airline.
P.S. You just don't "go on orders" at any airline. You have to be granted military leave unless your unit get activated and deployed. No airline is going to be granting military leave during a strike, especially to a probationary pilot.
I'd take them at their word if I were you.
If you have a termination on your PRIA, you can kiss an airline career goodbye, at least with the Majors. And you don't want to be known as a scab...that will ruin your life, unless you don't mind being a professional outcast.
Think this one over carefully. It's lose/lose if a strike goes down...and these guys seem pretty serious that it's going to take a strike to remedy the problems at their airline.
P.S. You just don't "go on orders" at any airline. You have to be granted military leave unless your unit get activated and deployed. No airline is going to be granting military leave during a strike, especially to a probationary pilot.
I'd take them at their word if I were you.
01-23-2015, 07:58 PM
#1598
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: F/A-18 Pilot
Posts: 54
While your service is appreciated, keep in mind that in the civilian world, all pay and benefits we receive are a direct result of the unity of the pilot groups. It is not decided for us. Now if you have orders, you have orders. But to choose to run away when your fellow pilots are fighting to better the situation only to return and reap the rewards? Not sure how that would be received.
01-23-2015, 08:02 PM
#1599
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Retired Mil...ready to start the grind
Posts: 249
I would suggest a couple of things...A) Don't listen to a thing Packrat says, he's a d-bag B) You don't get much in the way of positive information in here, so take what you see with a measure of skepticism. If you're planning on doing a touch and go here, you'd be better off just doing the reserve gig and foregoing the potential issues, particularly if we are indeed released to strike. There won't be a class here for a couple months at least, so there is a good chance if it happens quickly (doubtful, but who knows what the judge/labor board will do), an April or May class would be free of the labor issues. Our pilot group is very unified and for very good reasons, but games wouldn't be tolerated...pilot group is fired up.
01-23-2015, 08:05 PM
#1600
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: F/A-18 Pilot
Posts: 54
I would suggest a couple of things...A) Don't listen to a thing Packrat says, he's a d-bag B) You don't get much in the way of positive information in here, so take what you see with a measure of skepticism. If you're planning on doing a touch and go here, you'd be better off just doing the reserve gig and foregoing the potential issues, particularly if we are indeed released to strike. There won't be a class here for a couple months at least, so there is a good chance if it happens quickly (doubtful, but who knows what the judge/labor board will do), an April or May class would be free of the labor issues. Our pilot group is very unified and for very good reasons, but games wouldn't be tolerated...pilot group is fired up.
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