Allegiant Air
#142
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 34
Keep in mind most of the information you get on pilot forums will be from disgruntled people who are looking for other jobs....If you want to apply here don't let a lot of the negative crap being thrown around stop you. The vast majority of Allegiant pilots are happy and are too busy with their families, hobbies, and side careers to waste time on pilot forums.
I've been here 2 1/2 years. I hold a line every month in my base. I could hold a line most months in the most senior bases and could be over half way up the FO list in the more junior bases. I work an average of 7-9 hours a day 3 days a week. I've spent a grand total of 2 nights in a hotel other than recurrent and PCs. I bid reserve occasionally just for fun...Sure, I've had to fly some rescue missions here and there and even spent the night in a hotel once, but I've also had a couple of months where I never worked the entire month. My job is ridiculously easy. It's almost embarrassing talking to friends and neighbors about my schedule.
I'm curious to know the seniority number of the guys that post on this thread all the time. We get it, being junior sucks....welcome to commercial aviation. The best contract in the world isn't going to change that. In my 2 1/2 years here management has been spot on in regards to growth. They've continually preached slow and steady....which is exactly what has happened. I have 70ish people below me on a seniority list with 370ish pilots. Yes being junior is a pain, but it won't last forever. If anything the vibe from management lately is a little more urgent than slow and steady.
We need a contract, we need a pay raise, we need better retirement and insurance, we need better TDY and displacement language, and better PTO/vacation usage...but that's all in the works. Management will eventually stop pouting that we voted in a union and and play ball. The super senior guys here have only been here for 7-9 years and can attest to the massive improvements that have taken place. That will continue...it'll take time, but it will happen.
I've been here 2 1/2 years. I hold a line every month in my base. I could hold a line most months in the most senior bases and could be over half way up the FO list in the more junior bases. I work an average of 7-9 hours a day 3 days a week. I've spent a grand total of 2 nights in a hotel other than recurrent and PCs. I bid reserve occasionally just for fun...Sure, I've had to fly some rescue missions here and there and even spent the night in a hotel once, but I've also had a couple of months where I never worked the entire month. My job is ridiculously easy. It's almost embarrassing talking to friends and neighbors about my schedule.
I'm curious to know the seniority number of the guys that post on this thread all the time. We get it, being junior sucks....welcome to commercial aviation. The best contract in the world isn't going to change that. In my 2 1/2 years here management has been spot on in regards to growth. They've continually preached slow and steady....which is exactly what has happened. I have 70ish people below me on a seniority list with 370ish pilots. Yes being junior is a pain, but it won't last forever. If anything the vibe from management lately is a little more urgent than slow and steady.
We need a contract, we need a pay raise, we need better retirement and insurance, we need better TDY and displacement language, and better PTO/vacation usage...but that's all in the works. Management will eventually stop pouting that we voted in a union and and play ball. The super senior guys here have only been here for 7-9 years and can attest to the massive improvements that have taken place. That will continue...it'll take time, but it will happen.
#143
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 107
davidsthubbins is right. Reserve at Allegiant at most bases is bad, but once you hold a line life gets much better. In the couple of bases that I have been in, line holders consistantly get 14-19 days off per month. The schedules are not commuter friendly, but if you live in base then who cares? In most bases line holders have Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturdays off, not commutable but not bad if you live in base. Most lines are either all mornings or all afternoons with some exceptions (some lines will have some afternoons and some mornings). Just take the all day trip lines at your current carrier and that is what all our lines look like.
Reserve in the big bases (LAS, IWA, SFB,) needs improvement as well as all the TDY's that they do. But most of us here are hopeful those things will be fixed in our next contract.
If you are looking at coming to Allegiant and you are willing to live in one of our bases (Florida bases would be most junior) then life here will be good. If you think you want to commute then this will be the worse place to work. Best of luck to all who want to come here, I look forward to seeing you on line!
Reserve in the big bases (LAS, IWA, SFB,) needs improvement as well as all the TDY's that they do. But most of us here are hopeful those things will be fixed in our next contract.
If you are looking at coming to Allegiant and you are willing to live in one of our bases (Florida bases would be most junior) then life here will be good. If you think you want to commute then this will be the worse place to work. Best of luck to all who want to come here, I look forward to seeing you on line!
#146
The schedules are not commuter friendly, but if you live in base then who cares? In most bases line holders have Tuesday, Wednesday, and Saturdays off, not commutable but not bad if you live in base. Most lines are either all mornings or all afternoons with some exceptions (some lines will have some afternoons and some mornings). Just take the all day trip lines at your current carrier and that is what all our lines look like
Too many people willing to accept sub-par conditions/rules in order to be home every night. Just remember that not *all* of your coworkers are home every night (due to multiple months of TDYs, RSV stints, etc).
#147
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 480
Why bother raising the bar AZ, just suck it. And love it. (Sarcasm brother)
#148
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 519
There are many captains who are seeking employment elsewhere. These people are not junior as there are no captains with less than 5 years with the company. If you're in your late 40's and beyond, the argument for staying could be made. Otherwise, those thinking long-term are looking elsewhere. The "idea" of our business model is great, but there are too many signs pointing to this not becoming a career destination. The "home every night" thing is not a benefit. It just so happens to coincide with the company saving money. If they can save a couple of bucks by putting you in a Ramada in Plattsburgh on Christmas Eve, pack your bags.
AAY was a great place to weather the pilot hiring slump of the past decade, but the tides are turning and we are definitely losing our luster. To those looking to apply, consider not just the "home every night" rhetoric. You need to take the whole package such as hourly rates, work rules, retirement, and health insurance. Do a little research and you will discover that we are near the bottom in each and every one of those.
AAY was a great place to weather the pilot hiring slump of the past decade, but the tides are turning and we are definitely losing our luster. To those looking to apply, consider not just the "home every night" rhetoric. You need to take the whole package such as hourly rates, work rules, retirement, and health insurance. Do a little research and you will discover that we are near the bottom in each and every one of those.
#149
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2012
Posts: 480
Ya, only Tues, Wed and Sat. off. No weekend getaways. Hmm… Yet, the probability of my being called into work on Sundays is historically high… What? PTOs not (ever) being approved?
#150
Good Union. Bad Union. Don’t care. This place needs a contract. That’s how adults do business. You didn’t buy your car, house, etc., without a contract. Yet g4 management expects us to operate like charities. Happy to take what they give us, at their discretion.
What you should be hoping for is a solid Negotiating committee and dedicated group of pilot volunteers, or you may just end up with not much more than what you have now.
I've worked at non union carriers and it sucks I know, but having the right representation in contract talks will/can make a world of difference.
I really hope for the best for you guys and hope you get a CBA on par for what you deserve.
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