CLMP

DL has had a lot of flow through and preferential interviews to go through. That combined with the standard 50% military pilots hasn't left a whole lot of room for off the street hires. However, this won't last forever. I'm optimistic that most of us will get our chance at Delta.

Xbone

Not before we STFD!!

CLMP

That's just something fun to do while we wait!

disco inferno

Allegiant is going no where with all of the money they make. They could double pilot pay and still make money.

Patience my friends. Think Spirit 2010.

tyler durden

Thanks Disco for the support and words of encouragement. You are correct, this company is going nowhere and will continue until our inept, arrogant, disciples of myopic management are shown the door by the investors. It will come.

When it comes to management, we are the dumping ground for 'misfit toys'. Rejects from defunct carriers like Mesa and Northwest, or promoted from the ranks for their ability to gargle coolaid with a smile.

DaCat1989

What's worse, AAY or a 135 company doing tours that pays 12 an hour and working 14 hour days consecutively?

CLMP

How can such a company still have pilots? The worst regional is better than that. Not a dig. Honest question.

The Ocho Libre

You are probably better off here but, that is a loaded question, an apples and oranges question.

Whats worse, a job paying minimum wage, or paying thousands of dollars to go to college and work your A off for a degree? Apples and oranges question. Each have their role and you do each for different reasons.

A 135 company that makes you work 12 hours a day 14 days strait is the equivalent of college. You are getting experience until you can move on, or you found yourself in a tight spot and had no choice for a bit, but they know eventually you will move on.

When you get to the point that you have "graduated" so to speak, and you are flying MD80s, 757s, and Airbus', you expect to be treated and paid in accordance with industry norms (at minimum, ULCC norms) unless your company is in financial turmoil. We are WAY behind in pay and benefits, and we are dragging down the industry while the company makes outlandish profits, pays out dividends like drunken soldiers, and ignores maintenance priorities. That is the reason for the attitudes you see here. Yes, we are happy to have a job, but there is far more to the story and just happy to have a job without question, is a surefire way to find yourself making minimum wage. No offense but we aren't flying tours. This isn't entry level flying. We fly our planes into small airports, surrounded by mountainous terrain, in horrible weather, with zero support.

So with that said, AAY may be better than the 135 tour co. flying you to the ragged edge that you reference, but it should be MUCH better, considering the responsibility. When you watch over 150 people boarding your plane, you recognize, or you should recognize, this isn't minor league stuff here. There is massive responsibility. Happy to have a job isn't enough. Better than a 135 isn't enough.

With our financial strength, allegiant should be a career move, not a stepping stone. Our CEO and his team have made it a career, we should be able to do the same. We were sold as much. Our CEO said to give it time, that, "the tide lifts all boats" before we went public. Then things got WORSE! We have waited, and we've seen the tide lift management's boats. Now its our time, and the tide is going to come in for us or this "ATM" as our CEO calls it, becomes a paper weight.

SilkBra

I always wondered if those DAL HR people read websites like this. I assume after reading they would be even more inclined to want to call our people right away. "These guys are straight shooters all the way, the problem probably is AAY is not challenging them enough"

" I got 8 bosses Bob, 8. That means every time I screw up I have to hear about it 8 times"

FLYMIA

Haha, that is classic!