Allegiant Overnights?
11-04-2011, 09:51 PM
#12
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
Without trying to sound negative let me add that you won't receive much if any per diem here.
The $1 per hour we do get paid is taxed due to no overnights and when compared to what many of you are used to it is another pay cut and something to be aware of when planning your take home pay. Although I'm sure most of us would prefer the lack of per diem and the ability to be home every night.
The $1 per hour we do get paid is taxed due to no overnights and when compared to what many of you are used to it is another pay cut and something to be aware of when planning your take home pay. Although I'm sure most of us would prefer the lack of per diem and the ability to be home every night.
11-04-2011, 11:15 PM
#13
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Position: MD80 CA
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You can expect 70 hour credit as a new hire on reserve. You are allowed to pick up open trips on days off even on reserve for above guarantee, however I would not bank on it. It is hard to get open time as a junior pilot.
11-05-2011, 06:25 PM
#14
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Position: MD-80 Capt
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Don't come to Allegiant.. You'll be sorry if you do... Seriously things are bad these days.. Maybe after our pilot group's nuts drop and we get a Union we stand a chance, but Mesa would be a better career choice than AAY
11-05-2011, 07:24 PM
#15
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QUOTE=net680jets;1080044]FloridaGator,
I'm curious...did you other 2 recs end up getting calls yet?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, No calls for the other two just yet. I'm doing all that I can for them because I know they would be a perfect fit for the culture here.
I love working here. I have friends at nearly every other airline and after lengthy conversations with them would not trade places. Most people I know at CAL or DAL hate it there. They are not moving up the list at all and getting beat up really bad on reserve while spending way too much time away from home.
If you are a commuter at Allegiant... you will have a much different experience than someone who lives in base. 10 days off on reserve will easily turn into 15 or 20. If you commute... that's just more days in a crash pad. If commuting is unavoidable I would recommend a charter base. More days off and no reserve. It may take several months to hold that however.
Regarding the comment on a union... I was ALPA for approximately 8 years. They would get the fastest "No" Vote from me if it ever came to that. ALPA owes me $240 from my last job and will never get my support while that debt is outstanding. MEC officers and former MEC officers from my last place of employment that instituted that $240 theft are applying to Allegiant right now. GOOD LUCK. There are many people here from my former airline who have the exact same animosity over this subject. Amazing how doing the right thing could have helped you and doing the wrong thing is the sound of your resume finding the trash.
This airline is growing strong and has good load factors. "Going down hill" is likely the opposite opinion most people hold here.
Like all airlines we have our couple percent that cause all the problems and work dilligently to take advantage of things here. Unlike all airlines... eventually these people are fired because there is no ALPA.
An In-House union could gain support but most people here are happy with the work that has been accomplished by the Allegiant Air Pilots Advisory Group. They have an outstanding group of volunteers and their efforts are known and appreciatied by everyone here.
Regarding money.... My first year here I made the same as an FO at my previeous employer that was topped out on the payscale. My second year here I made a few dollars more than I did as a captain at my former employer. The tough parts here, in my opinion, is the benefits. Healthcare is not optimal. If you have large Heathcare demands for yourself or your family.... you may want to re-think working here. If you are healthy... you wont notice a difference.
This is a direct result of being a smaller company and getting screwed in negotiations with healthcare providers. Large multi-national corporations like Delta get a way better per-employee deal than we get because of their bargaining power.
I think this place definately depends on who you are and what your circumstance is. Like I said, I love it. I always thought of myself as an international pilot flying widebody equipment with Rome overnights. Now my opinion is that I fly an old, but great, airplane for decent pay and I have my life back. No more JFK or CVG stressfull commutes. No more is 80% of my life swallowed by my employer and never really adequately compensated for it.
I'll go to Rome with my family for Vacation at somepoint. I work for Allegiant and have never thought again about suffering the garbage dished out at other airlines.
I'm curious...did you other 2 recs end up getting calls yet?[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, No calls for the other two just yet. I'm doing all that I can for them because I know they would be a perfect fit for the culture here.
I love working here. I have friends at nearly every other airline and after lengthy conversations with them would not trade places. Most people I know at CAL or DAL hate it there. They are not moving up the list at all and getting beat up really bad on reserve while spending way too much time away from home.
If you are a commuter at Allegiant... you will have a much different experience than someone who lives in base. 10 days off on reserve will easily turn into 15 or 20. If you commute... that's just more days in a crash pad. If commuting is unavoidable I would recommend a charter base. More days off and no reserve. It may take several months to hold that however.
Regarding the comment on a union... I was ALPA for approximately 8 years. They would get the fastest "No" Vote from me if it ever came to that. ALPA owes me $240 from my last job and will never get my support while that debt is outstanding. MEC officers and former MEC officers from my last place of employment that instituted that $240 theft are applying to Allegiant right now. GOOD LUCK. There are many people here from my former airline who have the exact same animosity over this subject. Amazing how doing the right thing could have helped you and doing the wrong thing is the sound of your resume finding the trash.
This airline is growing strong and has good load factors. "Going down hill" is likely the opposite opinion most people hold here.
Like all airlines we have our couple percent that cause all the problems and work dilligently to take advantage of things here. Unlike all airlines... eventually these people are fired because there is no ALPA.
An In-House union could gain support but most people here are happy with the work that has been accomplished by the Allegiant Air Pilots Advisory Group. They have an outstanding group of volunteers and their efforts are known and appreciatied by everyone here.
Regarding money.... My first year here I made the same as an FO at my previeous employer that was topped out on the payscale. My second year here I made a few dollars more than I did as a captain at my former employer. The tough parts here, in my opinion, is the benefits. Healthcare is not optimal. If you have large Heathcare demands for yourself or your family.... you may want to re-think working here. If you are healthy... you wont notice a difference.
This is a direct result of being a smaller company and getting screwed in negotiations with healthcare providers. Large multi-national corporations like Delta get a way better per-employee deal than we get because of their bargaining power.
I think this place definately depends on who you are and what your circumstance is. Like I said, I love it. I always thought of myself as an international pilot flying widebody equipment with Rome overnights. Now my opinion is that I fly an old, but great, airplane for decent pay and I have my life back. No more JFK or CVG stressfull commutes. No more is 80% of my life swallowed by my employer and never really adequately compensated for it.
I'll go to Rome with my family for Vacation at somepoint. I work for Allegiant and have never thought again about suffering the garbage dished out at other airlines.
11-05-2011, 07:49 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 145
I live near one of your bases and ran into one of the higher ups, said he loved being home every night and everything else you said above.
Can't stand all the tag on fees for a ticket though...
11-05-2011, 07:55 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: B757F CA
Posts: 409
Regarding money.... My first year here I made the same as an FO at my previeous employer that was topped out on the payscale. My second year here I made a few dollars more than I did as a captain at my former employer. The tough parts here, in my opinion, is the benefits. Healthcare is not optimal. If you have large Heathcare demands for yourself or your family.... you may want to re-think working here. If you are healthy... you wont notice a difference.
Please. Put the blame where it belongs. With MG and his quest to increase/maintain his absurd profit margins (at all costs). Or are you going to justifiy going to "band 2" while the company is still widely profitable?
11-05-2011, 09:04 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A320
Posts: 1,347
Florida Gator... very misleading information there.
While the great things about working here are being home every night and much better than regional pay, if you do come here from a regional rest assured that your work rules are better across the board.
$20/hr deadhead pay, $80/day training pay, conflict bids are on you to pick up on your days off, duty and flight time is FAR limits, 3% retirement fund (401k match), etc.
Most days I enjoy coming to work here and I am optimistic about the direction we are headed with changes in flight management but let's be honest and up front to people looking to come aboard. We will gain important changes but it will take time and the current situation is less than you would paint it.
While the great things about working here are being home every night and much better than regional pay, if you do come here from a regional rest assured that your work rules are better across the board.
$20/hr deadhead pay, $80/day training pay, conflict bids are on you to pick up on your days off, duty and flight time is FAR limits, 3% retirement fund (401k match), etc.
Most days I enjoy coming to work here and I am optimistic about the direction we are headed with changes in flight management but let's be honest and up front to people looking to come aboard. We will gain important changes but it will take time and the current situation is less than you would paint it.
Last edited by labbats; 11-05-2011 at 09:37 PM.
11-06-2011, 10:43 AM
#19
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Position: MD-80 FO
Posts: 91
Labbats: You are correct on all counts. You make great points and I absolutley agree with all of them. I apologize for overlooking those items. They must be rectified. I appreciate your brining them up and apologize again for omitting them. Just an oversight... not trying to cover them up.
Iquiteagle: I know there are plenty of db's here. Yes they should be fired. A few just recently have been fired. Is the percentage here higher than elsewhere? I simply estimated that it might be the same percentage. In a pilot group of 300.... the DBs probably stand out more than being camoflauged in a pilot group of 10,000.
Regarding Healthcare.... no you dont plan on getting sick. But I knew someone at my previous employer whos daughter required MAJOR healthcare. This IS something that must be planned for. Allegiant would not be a good fit for him. I'd love to have better healthcare here but I am going to stop short of blaming MG on the current status of our nations healthcare system (or lack thereof). I think this post and continuing discussion will better inform people applying here.
Sorry about your dissapointment with AAPAG. I personally think they go above and beyond the call and have made good strides. I will not belittle thier efforts. The only think ALPA did for me at two previous employers was take money from me. In some cases... lots of money...... and produce littled results. Most of the results were concessionairy. Considerably more concessionairy than "Band 2".
Iquiteagle: I know there are plenty of db's here. Yes they should be fired. A few just recently have been fired. Is the percentage here higher than elsewhere? I simply estimated that it might be the same percentage. In a pilot group of 300.... the DBs probably stand out more than being camoflauged in a pilot group of 10,000.
Regarding Healthcare.... no you dont plan on getting sick. But I knew someone at my previous employer whos daughter required MAJOR healthcare. This IS something that must be planned for. Allegiant would not be a good fit for him. I'd love to have better healthcare here but I am going to stop short of blaming MG on the current status of our nations healthcare system (or lack thereof). I think this post and continuing discussion will better inform people applying here.
Sorry about your dissapointment with AAPAG. I personally think they go above and beyond the call and have made good strides. I will not belittle thier efforts. The only think ALPA did for me at two previous employers was take money from me. In some cases... lots of money...... and produce littled results. Most of the results were concessionairy. Considerably more concessionairy than "Band 2".
11-07-2011, 09:24 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
Posts: 20
An In-House union could gain support but most people here are happy with the work that has been accomplished by the Allegiant Air Pilots Advisory Group. They have an outstanding group of volunteers and their efforts are known and appreciatied by everyone here.
A few months ago AAPAG sent out a questionnaire about what the pilot group feels is the best way to move forward. I heard about 80% were unhappy with AAPAG and wanted a union, not necessarily a major union and maybe in-house. I do not have the official results however because AAPAG never posted the results even though they said they would. I wonder why??? haha Most of the people I fly with are done with AAPAG and though some are not thrilled about a union think it is the only way. This is a drastic change from about a year and a half ago.
A few months ago AAPAG sent out a questionnaire about what the pilot group feels is the best way to move forward. I heard about 80% were unhappy with AAPAG and wanted a union, not necessarily a major union and maybe in-house. I do not have the official results however because AAPAG never posted the results even though they said they would. I wonder why??? haha Most of the people I fly with are done with AAPAG and though some are not thrilled about a union think it is the only way. This is a drastic change from about a year and a half ago.
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