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Old 03-12-2011, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
OK.. Citation Bravo and whatever else you fly at your company... being an adult and negotiating your own payrate might work at a company where you have 5..6.. maybe even 20 pilots, but do you really believe that it would work at a company with 12,000 pilots? You say you are not anti union, yet your rhetoric bad mouths them at almost every turn.. I find it somewhat amusing that you talk about seeing a payraise of 10-15% per year "usually".. good for you. Do you think that kind of return will last forever Mr Madoff?
Someone has their panties in a bunch. Maybe it is hard for some people to believe, but there are some companies out there that take care of their employees and compensate them accordingly. And unlike most airlines, if they have a year where their profits are not that high, the CEOs don't run off with millions in bonuses.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RunnerMark
Funny... no one has mentioned that you actually have to PAY for a union..
Yeah, that 1.9% is a backbreaker.
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Old 03-12-2011, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
Please...this was no "negotiation" in real life. It was a blatant attempt by management to disuade people from voting for ALPA, which was gaining momentum. You seriously think that management would have offered the pay increases if not for the very real threat of ALPA on property? It was a raise of the least amount that Maury G. thought was necessary to kill the union drive. That is all. Let me know how well the "negotiations" go next time around, or this May, when you all take a pay cut with the sliding pay scale, without a union drive underway.
And there you go. Keep the union out, but always threaten with the union. Get the best of both worlds. Don't have to pay assesments, don't have to rely on junior pilots negotiating away your pension, don't have to worry about strike preparedness committes, informational picketing, code-a-phones, mediation for years on end, unreasonable demands made by both parties, recalls, special elections......seven out of ten times, management seems to get what they want anyway. Oh, and be sure to ask your spouse what stress is put on her/him while the union is always "preparing" No union is going to save or protect you from a lousy, unethical management. Ask the Eastern, Braniff, PanAm, TWA former pilots how that union thing worked out for protection.
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Old 03-12-2011, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
Someone has their panties in a bunch. Maybe it is hard for some people to believe, but there are some companies out there that take care of their employees and compensate them accordingly. And unlike most airlines, if they have a year where their profits are not that high, the CEOs don't run off with millions in bonuses.
No... not in a bunch at all. I just think you and I are in two different industries. And all I have heard from you is badmouthing union members as being weak among other things. Panties in a bunch.. naaaah. And FWIW, the CEO we now have is a pretty stand up guy. I have met him several times, as well as most of his predecessors. This guy wants to run an airline. I could be wrong though...

Interesting though that you didn't answer any of my questions...
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Old 03-13-2011, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
Yeah, that 1.9% is a backbreaker.
Yeah, but I bet you would raise hell if you were told you had to take a 1.9% pay cut.
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