Allegiant vs. regional
03-11-2011, 09:33 AM
#51
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Not exactly... a court cannot throw out a contract outside of bankruptcy... but if a company goes into bankruptcy, yep.. all bets are off. Hey I would give anything to be able to tell the union to pack sand, but I do see the need for the protection they DO provide.. albeit thin sometimes..
03-11-2011, 11:52 AM
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Please...this was no "negotiation" in real life. It was a blatant attempt by management to disuade people from voting for ALPA, which was gaining momentum. You seriously think that management would have offered the pay increases if not for the very real threat of ALPA on property? It was a raise of the least amount that Maury G. thought was necessary to kill the union drive. That is all. Let me know how well the "negotiations" go next time around, or this May, when you all take a pay cut with the sliding pay scale, without a union drive underway.
03-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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Please...this was no "negotiation" in real life. It was a blatant attempt by management to disuade people from voting for ALPA, which was gaining momentum. You seriously think that management would have offered the pay increases if not for the very real threat of ALPA on property? It was a raise of the least amount that Maury G. thought was necessary to kill the union drive. That is all. Let me know how well the "negotiations" go next time around, or this May, when you all take a pay cut with the sliding pay scale, without a union drive underway.
Allegiant Air considers adding fees for carry-on bags - Thursday, March 10, 2011 | 2 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun
How hard would it be to cut additional costs by cutting pilot pay without a contract? What if oil keeps going up and the carry on fees don't generate enough revenue? Then where will they look?
03-11-2011, 03:54 PM
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Please...this was no "negotiation" in real life. It was a blatant attempt by management to disuade people from voting for ALPA, which was gaining momentum. You seriously think that management would have offered the pay increases if not for the very real threat of ALPA on property? It was a raise of the least amount that Maury G. thought was necessary to kill the union drive. That is all. Let me know how well the "negotiations" go next time around, or this May, when you all take a pay cut with the sliding pay scale, without a union drive underway.
03-11-2011, 04:15 PM
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03-12-2011, 05:38 AM
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Yes I do negotiate my own pay rate. We also get reviewed at the end of the year and usually see pay raises of 10-15%. I don't know of any airline that gets anywhere close to that on a year to year basis.
03-12-2011, 06:40 AM
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OK.. Citation Bravo and whatever else you fly at your company... being an adult and negotiating your own payrate might work at a company where you have 5..6.. maybe even 20 pilots, but do you really believe that it would work at a company with 12,000 pilots? You say you are not anti union, yet your rhetoric bad mouths them at almost every turn.. I find it somewhat amusing that you talk about seeing a payraise of 10-15% per year "usually".. good for you. Do you think that kind of return will last forever Mr Madoff?
03-12-2011, 07:33 AM
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