Allegiant 757 spotted
09-10-2010, 05:00 AM
#81
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It's sad how many people don't understand what bankruptcy is, or what it did to pay rates. Perhaps we should post pre bankruptcy rates to show how sad the current rates really are.
What is really sad is that the pre bankruptcy rates are never coming back. I think everyone needs to ease up on the Allegiant guys, it's easy to criticize if you are at your "career major" Everyone who is took crappy wages at a regional to get there. Give them some time, let them work it out. Rome wasn't built in a day.
The economy is still terrible and not getting any better, be thankful if you have job, plenty of people would love to trade places.
09-10-2010, 06:20 AM
#82
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Not following this....who is it directed at? Plus, what are you talking about? AA has much better rates then Allegiant plus they aren't ALPA. DAL, NWA, and UAL have current BK rates. It's sad how many people don't understand what bankruptcy is, or what it did to pay rates. Perhaps we should post pre bankruptcy rates to show how sad the current rates really are.
09-10-2010, 06:23 AM
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What is really sad is that the pre bankruptcy rates are never coming back. I think everyone needs to ease up on the Allegiant guys, it's easy to criticize if you are at your "career major" Everyone who is took crappy wages at a regional to get there. Give them some time, let them work it out. Rome wasn't built in a day. The economy is still terrible and not getting any better, be thankful if you have job, plenty of people would love to trade places.
The economy is still terrible and not getting any better, be thankful if you have job, plenty of people would love to trade places.
09-10-2010, 06:51 AM
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Not that it's much better, but I think Allegiant pays time and a third after base pay. I'm not denying a needed pay raise, but I think they have the right to some time just like all the other airlines.
09-10-2010, 07:14 AM
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I'm curious what kind of time table do you believe is sufficient? If not really time than is there a size that they could get to where you believe they should be at least industry average?
09-10-2010, 07:20 AM
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thats a great point, but i think to counter that, is people arent flying dashs and rj's, this is a 757 with lower rates! Thats just the flip of it. Nobody is or should be paying their dues and starting out on a 757. That said, i still am a fan of them, and people seem to enjoy working there!
09-10-2010, 07:26 AM
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Completely agree with your point as well. I am certainly not saying I think it is good. The point I am trying to make is that there sure are a lot of critics, let the guys at Allegiant do the best they can.
09-10-2010, 07:48 AM
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When was the last time any carrier finished contract negotiations quickly? If people want to criticize their payrates but accepted first year regional wages anywhere to get where they are then they are complete hypocrites. You can't tell another guy not to accept below standard pay if at one point you did the same. Not everyone will get to work for a legacy/major carrier.
I'm not talking about any specific negotiation. Whether it be 1 contract or 4 contracts. How much time or size should be given to go from start up to industry average?
It's not a new pilots job to increase the pay by not going. It's the pilot who are currently there that are responsible. I'm not advocating not going to Allegiant or a regional. Regional pilots should also be raising their sub par pay and contracts as well but this is a discussion about Allegiant not the regionals.
With your last sentence are you saying that if you don't work for a major then you should accept that you won't get paid like one?
09-10-2010, 07:50 AM
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Here's where both of your arguments fail. Allegiant has been nothing but profitable, while the Legacy rates were a result of bankruptcy. Yes, that's right...a company in bankruptcy. Not profitable. Allegiant is profitable. Plus, they just got these rates while pretty much all Legacy rates are 5+ years old.
I got this far into this thread, and decided to quit reading it due to all the negativity here. If you guys are so upset with the condition of the industry, then pack it in, and move on to your backup plan. This place is full of a bunch of people who are just either angry with thier life, or angry with the career they have chosen.
I think I'll stick to the other forum I chat with people on from now on. At least over there it's not a continuios cry fest of disgruntled workers.
You guys need to get your panties out of a wad and either accept it, do something about it or move on! The constant complaining has brought a once fun place to learn and chat with fellow pilots into a place full of arguing and bickering beause "ohhh ohhhhh, your not a union shop, you fly for a 135 outfit! Your destroying our industry!!!!!!" I though that was what your union dues were supposed to do, help support the industry, and preserve it. Looks like they have done a fine job.
09-10-2010, 07:52 AM
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thats a great point, but i think to counter that, is people arent flying dashs and rj's, this is a 757 with lower rates! Thats just the flip of it. Nobody is or should be paying their dues and starting out on a 757. That said, i still am a fan of them, and people seem to enjoy working there!
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