Allegiant 757 spotted
09-09-2010, 06:39 PM
#72
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So you're saying you got into Delta 3 years ago, and it has higher pay rates than Allegiant. (keep in mind not one 757 is on the ops specs at allegiant yet) The Delta captain rate is almost $20 more per hour. I would think that you would have held out for UPS or Fedex as they really are more of a standard of what 757 pay should be. They were hiring 3 years ago. What happened with that? Did you apply? In the last 3 years have you really had anything to do with the current Delta rates or did you basically get on there and get to enjoy the work of the pilots that came before you?
Allegiant's rates have actually come along way the last 3 years. Most of us want to make them even better. I did turn in my card during the last ALPA drive. Enjoy Delta. What do you do with all that money and free time? Oh right, you are right here on the Allegiant thread.
Allegiant's rates have actually come along way the last 3 years. Most of us want to make them even better. I did turn in my card during the last ALPA drive. Enjoy Delta. What do you do with all that money and free time? Oh right, you are right here on the Allegiant thread.
09-09-2010, 07:25 PM
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I just don't see it that way. A pay cut without a guaranty of pay recovery or retirement recovery can't be compared to one who enters a market place with a wage and benefit package to which they are aware of.
Wouldn't you agree, Eric, that all parties concerned are entitled to their current terms and conditions without any complaints or critisism for those who went to work for a LCC or start up carrier? Do you want to bring SCOPE into the picture too??? or can you justify that too? After all you know the saying about those who live in glass houses...
Wouldn't you agree, Eric, that all parties concerned are entitled to their current terms and conditions without any complaints or critisism for those who went to work for a LCC or start up carrier? Do you want to bring SCOPE into the picture too??? or can you justify that too? After all you know the saying about those who live in glass houses...
I would love to bring up scope. The majors have failed miserably. Why should anyone say otherwise? They sold off scope and future mainline pilots for their gain. A lot of mainline guys don't like to hear it but it's the truth. What's your take on it.
09-09-2010, 07:26 PM
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Clyde... you need to take stock. The good old boys represented by APLA rolled over on the industry long before Allegient, or Virgan America. How many old time DAL, AA, NWA, UAL pilots are still with their original carriers after their save they day for the airline pay cuts?
I can tell you there are about a dozen at my previous overseas carrier along with more of the same at my current carrier. Why is that? Ask yourself. You just gotta stop drinking the Kool Aide man.
I can tell you there are about a dozen at my previous overseas carrier along with more of the same at my current carrier. Why is that? Ask yourself. You just gotta stop drinking the Kool Aide man.
09-09-2010, 07:32 PM
#76
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I think you're targeting is unfair - the industry is what it is. The pilots at Allegiant are making strides and there are quite a few ex mainline pilots there that would wholeheartedly disagree with your premise that they are personally responsible for undercutting the industry. Tell that to one of the many ex TWA pilots there.
Delta airlines was one of the very first airlines to give up scope and allow CRJ200s to outsource mainline flying. What are your thoughts on that? If anything, that decision by Delta has had the most negative impact on this industry than Allegiant, IMO, will ever have.
Delta airlines was one of the very first airlines to give up scope and allow CRJ200s to outsource mainline flying. What are your thoughts on that? If anything, that decision by Delta has had the most negative impact on this industry than Allegiant, IMO, will ever have.
Second... I wasn't at Delta when they voted away scope. I wish they hadn't. I probably would have moved on to a major more quickly instead of getting stuck at a regional for as long as I did. I 100% agree that the decision to cave on scope has had a more negative impact on the industry. Unfortunately, I wasn't at Delta at the time so I had zero control over that decision.
09-09-2010, 07:43 PM
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Oh boy its a hard crew here , ( note to self, must have English teacher on standby when on APC )
Must be all those late nights or is it nites not really sure, seems like a case of pedanticalness !!!! LOL PS Allegiant rocks even if the pay is not totally on par .
Must be all those late nights or is it nites not really sure, seems like a case of pedanticalness !!!! LOL PS Allegiant rocks even if the pay is not totally on par .
09-09-2010, 07:53 PM
#78
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So you're saying you got into Delta 3 years ago, and it has higher pay rates than Allegiant. (keep in mind not one 757 is on the ops specs at allegiant yet) The Delta captain rate is almost $20 more per hour. I would think that you would have held out for UPS or Fedex as they really are more of a standard of what 757 pay should be. They were hiring 3 years ago. What happened with that? Did you apply? In the last 3 years have you really had anything to do with the current Delta rates or did you basically get on there and get to enjoy the work of the pilots that came before you?
Allegiant's rates have actually come along way the last 3 years. Most of us want to make them even better. I did turn in my card during the last ALPA drive. Enjoy Delta. What do you do with all that money and free time? Oh right, you are right here on the Allegiant thread.
Allegiant's rates have actually come along way the last 3 years. Most of us want to make them even better. I did turn in my card during the last ALPA drive. Enjoy Delta. What do you do with all that money and free time? Oh right, you are right here on the Allegiant thread.
I didn't apply to Fedex or UPS because I didn't know anybody there well enough to have them recommend me. Also, I wasn't totally excited about flying boxes in the middle of the night. They're good companies, though, and they have great contracts.
What do I do with all my free time? Well, about 30 minutes a day during my 4 day trip was spent jumping on APC and posting comments about how bad Allegiant's pay is. My other 15-16 days a month are spent at home with my family.
Not too sure what all this has to do with the fact that Allegiant is getting 757's without a new pay rate for that equipment. I'm glad you guys are willing to try to raise the bar. Let's see if you can make it happen!
09-10-2010, 03:17 AM
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Not following this....who is it directed at? Plus, what are you talking about? AA has much better rates then Allegiant plus they aren't ALPA. DAL, NWA, and UAL have current BK rates. It's sad how many people don't understand what bankruptcy is, or what it did to pay rates. Perhaps we should post pre bankruptcy rates to show how sad the current rates really are.
Stil one greet looking sheme on that their berd , so is it one class or two class config ?
09-10-2010, 04:53 AM
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Ok... so you're saying that Allegiant is going to get a 757 rate? If so, good for you guys.
I didn't apply to Fedex or UPS because I didn't know anybody there well enough to have them recommend me. Also, I wasn't totally excited about flying boxes in the middle of the night. They're good companies, though, and they have great contracts.
What do I do with all my free time? Well, about 30 minutes a day during my 4 day trip was spent jumping on APC and posting comments about how bad Allegiant's pay is. My other 15-16 days a month are spent at home with my family.
Not too sure what all this has to do with the fact that Allegiant is getting 757's without a new pay rate for that equipment. I'm glad you guys are willing to try to raise the bar. Let's see if you can make it happen!
I didn't apply to Fedex or UPS because I didn't know anybody there well enough to have them recommend me. Also, I wasn't totally excited about flying boxes in the middle of the night. They're good companies, though, and they have great contracts.
What do I do with all my free time? Well, about 30 minutes a day during my 4 day trip was spent jumping on APC and posting comments about how bad Allegiant's pay is. My other 15-16 days a month are spent at home with my family.
Not too sure what all this has to do with the fact that Allegiant is getting 757's without a new pay rate for that equipment. I'm glad you guys are willing to try to raise the bar. Let's see if you can make it happen!
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