Allegiant 757 spotted
09-09-2010, 01:19 PM
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09-09-2010, 01:39 PM
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Eric... I guess you forgot the legacy guys who took pay cuts without a guaranty for repayment or reinstatement of cut salaries? I guess you forgot about the legacy guys who allowed their retirement benefits to be terminated without restoration? Oh... I also guess you forgot about the cuts in health insurance benefits taken by the legacy guys too??? Sooooo who was the first to lower the so-called bar?
By the way how much does a first year CAL, or DAL F/O make?
By the way how much does a first year CAL, or DAL F/O make?
Really if you consider that the current higher pay of most of the majors as lowering the bar then nothing I write will get through to you that Allegiant and all the other LCC have helped lower the bar. Kind of sad that with all of those cuts you mentioned they (for the most part) are still better than allegiant, airtran, jetblue and others.
09-09-2010, 01:48 PM
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Sort of like AA did to Braniff in DFW? DAL did to EAL in ATL? So how was the pay at the legacies you guys are trying to compare when they were 13 years in existence?
I agree the pay needs to rise. I doubt the pilots at Allegiant can click their heels and make it happen overnight like some of you suggest.
I agree the pay needs to rise. I doubt the pilots at Allegiant can click their heels and make it happen overnight like some of you suggest.
I couldn't tell you what the pay was back in the 1930's and 40's? Do you know because it would be interesting to compare to today's dollars.
I'm sure they can't make it happen over night but at the same time what kind of time table would you be willing to give then to get an industry average contract. (getting there by having others fall doesn't really count either) How about size? Is there a size that you feel would be large enough to demand at least average pay? ie. 1000 pilots 2000 pilots
09-09-2010, 02:04 PM
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Delta airlines was one of the very first airlines to give up scope and allow CRJ200s to outsource mainline flying. What are your thoughts on that? If anything, that decision by Delta has had the most negative impact on this industry than Allegiant, IMO, will ever have.
09-09-2010, 02:31 PM
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09-09-2010, 03:43 PM
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and with all of those cuts they're still higher than Allegiant.
Really if you consider that the current higher pay of most of the majors as lowering the bar then nothing I write will get through to you that Allegiant and all the other LCC have helped lower the bar. Kind of sad that with all of those cuts you mentioned they (for the most part) are still better than allegiant, airtran, jetblue and others.
Really if you consider that the current higher pay of most of the majors as lowering the bar then nothing I write will get through to you that Allegiant and all the other LCC have helped lower the bar. Kind of sad that with all of those cuts you mentioned they (for the most part) are still better than allegiant, airtran, jetblue and others.
Wouldn't you agree, Eric, that all parties concerned are entitled to their current terms and conditions without any complaints or critisism for those who went to work for a LCC or start up carrier? Do you want to bring SCOPE into the picture too??? or can you justify that too? After all you know the saying about those who live in glass houses...
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09-09-2010, 03:57 PM
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I know the rate for Delta. I'm on 3rd year 73NG pay and I make more than an F.O. at Allegiant would ever make on either a 757 or MD-80. Plus, our Captain rate is almost $20 more an hour. Allegient's per diem is half what we get and your 401k match is only 3%. That's a complete joke! I know regional airlines that have better contracts than Allegiant! Way to go, though, you've got bigger airplanes! Heck... Skywest is a non-union REGIONAL carrier and they've got a better working agreement than Allegiant!
So you're saying you got into Delta 3 years ago, and it has higher pay rates than Allegiant. (keep in mind not one 757 is on the ops specs at allegiant yet) The Delta captain rate is almost $20 more per hour. I would think that you would have held out for UPS or Fedex as they really are more of a standard of what 757 pay should be. They were hiring 3 years ago. What happened with that? Did you apply? In the last 3 years have you really had anything to do with the current Delta rates or did you basically get on there and get to enjoy the work of the pilots that came before you?
Allegiant's rates have actually come along way the last 3 years. Most of us want to make them even better. I did turn in my card during the last ALPA drive. Enjoy Delta. What do you do with all that money and free time? Oh right, you are right here on the Allegiant thread.
09-09-2010, 04:00 PM
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And Allegiant is profitable. Plus those rates were just established. Delta's rates are bankrupty rates. That's why it's sad. Because a pilot group from a consistently profitable company couldn't get rates better then 2005 bankruptcy rates.
09-09-2010, 04:06 PM
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Clyde... you need to take stock. The good old boys represented by APLA rolled over on the industry long before Allegient, or Virgan America. How many old time DAL, AA, NWA, UAL pilots are still with their original carriers after their save they day for the airline pay cuts?
I can tell you there are about a dozen at my previous overseas carrier along with more of the same at my current carrier. Why is that? Ask yourself. You just gotta stop drinking the Kool Aide man.
I can tell you there are about a dozen at my previous overseas carrier along with more of the same at my current carrier. Why is that? Ask yourself. You just gotta stop drinking the Kool Aide man.
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