Allegiant Purchased 6 757's???
07-12-2009, 07:17 PM
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Does anybody have any other information about this? I was told they bought 6 757's from Thomson in the U.K. and that the airplanes are sitting at I believe Goodyear in Arizona. The price tag on each 75 was estimated at around $8 million. Seeing how Allegiant is a public company the purchases would have to made public as well, but if the CEO bought them and put them in his name and not the company then he could keep it a "secret" or atleast try. Another rumore in this ongoing "mystery, if you will" is that they are planning on keeping the 75's seprate from Allegiant in other words flying them under another name. Lots of twist and turns in this story but if you have something to add please do so im all ears.
07-12-2009, 08:06 PM
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I'm not quite sure how an experienced pilot can better determine his "worth" over a youngster, or how you can think that a pilot is "worth" more than what an airline will pay??
My understanding of what a pilot is worth is as simple as finding employment at an airline, that will compensate you the most. If a pilot is unwilling to fly an airplane for the offered rate, then that job is not "worth" it to the pilot.... not the other way around, as in "I'm worth more than that". Because the truth is, you're not worth more than that. If you were, then they would pay it. Experience doesn't mean much in this industry (overseas flying can offer a little more for your experience, but.. well, it's overseas). Luck, timing and the company's success are bigger factors than experience in this industry. Everyone, after a few years, has all the experience they need to get hired at most airlines... just hope you pick the right one.
My understanding of what a pilot is worth is as simple as finding employment at an airline, that will compensate you the most. If a pilot is unwilling to fly an airplane for the offered rate, then that job is not "worth" it to the pilot.... not the other way around, as in "I'm worth more than that". Because the truth is, you're not worth more than that. If you were, then they would pay it. Experience doesn't mean much in this industry (overseas flying can offer a little more for your experience, but.. well, it's overseas). Luck, timing and the company's success are bigger factors than experience in this industry. Everyone, after a few years, has all the experience they need to get hired at most airlines... just hope you pick the right one.
07-13-2009, 05:20 AM
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It took Alaska 22 months to get their ETOPS cert. and they already had B737NG's for quite a while. I doubt Allegiant will be flying to HI before 2011, and it could be into 2012. MX and dispatch are the more difficult issues, but ops. is no piece of cake, either.
I wouldn't be surprised if none of these $8M wonderbirds ever flew ETOPS. Cost to configure could be staggering.
I wouldn't be surprised if none of these $8M wonderbirds ever flew ETOPS. Cost to configure could be staggering.
07-13-2009, 06:44 AM
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07-13-2009, 06:52 AM
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No comment on LCC. And no need to wait since I already make more than $100/hr now to fly a 767ER as an FO. Pilots get paid what they negotiate. Airlines try to pay the least amount they can get away with. The end result falls close to what a pilot group feels they are worth.
07-13-2009, 06:55 AM
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JDMJ, if you make over $100/hour on the ER, then you won't have to worry about taking the job. You won't be on the street next year. It's the guys making $78-50/hour that will be furloughed and might be interested in that job.
07-13-2009, 07:22 AM
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Maintenance IS an issue, as airlines must set up an extensive program for ETOPS and jump thru many hoops. Outsourcing has nothing to do with it. It will take months, not weeks. And since Allegiant has only flown MD80s on domestic routes since their inception, with occasional Mexico/Canada trips, they're going to need many proving runs to complete ETOPS certification. AS had 737NGs flying long haul trips from ANC to ORD and SEA to east coast, to simulate ETOPS flights before they got certified. And, I'm sure they didn't do it 'on the cheap', and it still took 22 months.
07-13-2009, 08:14 AM
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It took Alaska 22 months to get their ETOPS cert. and they already had B737NG's for quite a while. I doubt Allegiant will be flying to HI before 2011, and it could be into 2012. MX and dispatch are the more difficult issues, but ops. is no piece of cake, either.
I wouldn't be surprised if none of these $8M wonderbirds ever flew ETOPS. Cost to configure could be staggering.
I wouldn't be surprised if none of these $8M wonderbirds ever flew ETOPS. Cost to configure could be staggering.
They went shopping for already configured birds, but couldn't find anything cheap enough so opted to do the retro-conversion.
I don't know what any of the other costs for implementation were.
07-13-2009, 09:27 AM
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Furthermore, that would really suck bolls.
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