Mins @ Allegiant
02-14-2006, 08:35 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Mad Dog
Allegiant has it's pluses and minuses but is in no way is a sweat shop. I have been at Allegiant for 6 months and hold 14-15 days off a month. I do no more then 2 legs a day, and have nothing scheduled over an 8 hour duty day. I am also home every night. There are two overnights in the system and two red eyes. The Jr. upgrade at the moment is 8 months, however it averages at about 12 months. I have no Idea what JC was like in the past, however he is very popular among the pilot group here. We have an in house pilot group that is constantly working on improvements and JC will usually go to bat for us.
The big negative is the pay and the way they do upgrades. Almost everyone makes Captain at there 2nd year which pays $71 an hour and $80 at there 3rd. Not bad for your 2nd and 3rd year at an airline, if you look at it that way. On the flip side, that is horrible pay for an MD-80 captain. I don't really mind the way they do upgrades, but some people do. When your seniority number comes up, in order for you to upgrade you need 3 letters of rec. from line captains and 1 from a check airmen. I have not had problems with getting letters of rec, but it seems about 10 FO's have been passed up because of this policy.
I really enjoy working for Allegiant and I could see myself working here long term if I had to. That being said, if the pay doesn't improve, I see Allegiant as a stepping stone along with most of the pilot group.
The big negative is the pay and the way they do upgrades. Almost everyone makes Captain at there 2nd year which pays $71 an hour and $80 at there 3rd. Not bad for your 2nd and 3rd year at an airline, if you look at it that way. On the flip side, that is horrible pay for an MD-80 captain. I don't really mind the way they do upgrades, but some people do. When your seniority number comes up, in order for you to upgrade you need 3 letters of rec. from line captains and 1 from a check airmen. I have not had problems with getting letters of rec, but it seems about 10 FO's have been passed up because of this policy.
I really enjoy working for Allegiant and I could see myself working here long term if I had to. That being said, if the pay doesn't improve, I see Allegiant as a stepping stone along with most of the pilot group.
Now at Allegiant, where everybody has 3000 hours...you'd really have to wonder what's up with somebody who can't get a letter...IMHO
02-14-2006, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyByWire
A stepping stone is what all airlines are becoming, becuase everyone wants to ***** for hours. The real airline jobs of the past are gone. Lets face it those nice pensions, those nice paychecks, those sweet schedules...HISTORY!!
So get use to allegiant pay since it is near the top peak of the food chain of were airline pay is headed.
So get use to allegiant pay since it is near the top peak of the food chain of were airline pay is headed.
02-14-2006, 10:40 AM
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There is talk of a Union, but I don't think it will happen any time soon. It takes a lot of work to get fired here.
When you say someone has to spread the word at the pilot factories, you need to realize Allegiant pilots aren't coming from the pilot factories. Most pilots at Allegiant are ex National, AA, TWA, ATA, and US air. There are also a lot of Eagle guys that were faced with the flow back, there for no upgrade.
When you say someone has to spread the word at the pilot factories, you need to realize Allegiant pilots aren't coming from the pilot factories. Most pilots at Allegiant are ex National, AA, TWA, ATA, and US air. There are also a lot of Eagle guys that were faced with the flow back, there for no upgrade.
02-14-2006, 08:58 PM
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I'm gald to see Carr is working out for you guys. Maybe National was a wakeup call for him. I used to commute out of BLI, I always wanted to try your service to LAS.
Let's face it, any airline job that doesn't pay industry average for the majors (including JB and Airtran) will be looked at as a stepping stone. There will always be jobs like that and there will always be guys that like being the big fish in the small pond. Number 1 at Alligiant may well be more attractive than 9000 at SWA if you are 50 years old. There is nothing wrong with choosing lifestyle over the chance to make more cash.
Let's face it, any airline job that doesn't pay industry average for the majors (including JB and Airtran) will be looked at as a stepping stone. There will always be jobs like that and there will always be guys that like being the big fish in the small pond. Number 1 at Alligiant may well be more attractive than 9000 at SWA if you are 50 years old. There is nothing wrong with choosing lifestyle over the chance to make more cash.
02-15-2006, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Southern Fried
Is there any talk or rumors about joining ALPA or starting their own union?
Fast upgrade is nice but it's also nice to have the job protection you enjoy with a union.
Fast upgrade is nice but it's also nice to have the job protection you enjoy with a union.
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