tom11011

I don’t think they would have to have an ATP or RATP. They can get that with their type ride, this is how the regionals do it. What they will need is an ATP written test which requires a 25 hours sim and some other things before they can take the written.

flydiamond

much less than 25 hours. I believe it's about 10 hour sim and 30 hours classroom.

tom11011

You are correct

akulahunter

I'm not sure if this is true (losing negotiating leverage). If we do not have a new contract, it would be better for those new pilots to break their training contract and repay the $100k. If you are trying to compare $50k first year followed by several years of under $120k, going to any of the Big 4 with a new contract or even taking a regional job with the bonuses would be more lucrative financially. Also, if we do not have a contract a year from now, we'll almost definitely have attrition higher than 30/month. Of course, that's if we even have enough pilots left to lose 30/month.

I think we have a large group of pilots hanging on by their fingernails hoping that Uncle M being involved with negotiations will get us a contract sooner rather than later. Based on what the union said about the last company "package" we aren't even close. If Uncle M decides he really doesn't want to provide industry standard pay and work rules and he says to hell with it, the NMB is coming. If that happens, the floodgates will open because all of those hoping a contract is coming soon will bail. I can't imagine that whatever program they come up with can overcome that kind of attrition.

tailendcharlie

^^^^
I agree…..if we don’t see significant progress very soon, IBT files for mediation & then you can forget about a new contract for ‘22 or ‘23; it’ll be months just waiting for a mediator to be assigned. In that case the fence-sitters will bail.

tom11011

Reliable sources say they are very far apart based on last weeks meeting.

Be Realistic

IMO MG is still not serious about a contract. He faking concern in the hopes that his new pipeline of newbies along with a ton of guys being furloughed from the majors will solve the shortage for G4.

Meanwhile he is enjoying the low stock price where he does a combined company buy back policy at the same time as privately buying as much as he can at these record low prices.

He is stringing us along folks, He is playing us. And we are falling for it. But that's ok cos we be home every night!

Margaritaville

Nobody is going to get furloughed from the majors. Not even American. We are already in the recession and this isn't going to be a 2008 crash. None of the economic signs of that are present. And if a new black swan comes along that is so bad the majors have to furlough, G4 will be equally f'd and it will probably be the final nail in the coffin. Maury is an arrogant prick, but he's not stupid. I find it very hard to believe he actually thinks this is going to happen. What may happen is that legacy hiring slows and pilots who are stuck at the regionals turn to allegiant. But not unless a new contract comes. Until then allegiant will be every pilots last choice unless they live in Flint or have such low quals that nobody else will talk to them.

As for stringing everyone along, absolutely. His arrogance has always been his biggest handicap. It might do him in this time.

Be Realistic

I am sure there are no furloughs on the horizon. But I do believe Maury is a prick and is basing his plans on it being so. He is also putting a lot of faith in the school because some ex flight attendant who he has promoted (probably - most of his support staff are made of this) has told him there will be 250 pilots per year available and desperate to work for him.

Look, I have said for more than 12 months both here and online that the only message from Vegas is "don't leave - better is just around the corner". Its so 'regional' and has been repeated ad nauseum. The sad part is when the union has signed agreements to work harder to get a new contract and released it to the pilots. All this does is stop the weak minded ones who want to go else where but actually believe the crap stay for a few more months and complete a few more flights. The union needs to put on their big boy pants and stop joining in the propaganda, and those who ***** online "give us more updates" should realizes that they are contributing to the problem.

A new contract will only come when MG wants it. Never before. And while the share price is so low (by design I think) he will buy up all he can. The most profitable airline with over 65 financial quarters without loosing money, loses money when every other airline makes money. And that's not intentional? Of course it is!

But yes MG is a fool thinking furloughs are coming or that flight school students will help him. Its just dumb

Margaritaville

I think there would be jail time if it could be proven that Maury is intentionally tanking the stock so he can personally profit. Especially since he's still the chairman of the Board. You know SEC regs and stuff. But it is plausible that they decided to do nothing and let the stock price plummet due to market, economy, and industry forces in order to make the company more salable. I've mentioned this before and been called a conspiracy theorist.