KC135

It's my understanding that anyone at the school can accept the deal at any point before they have completed their R-ATP. This includes a CFI teaching at the college with 999 hours and no RATP, which they will have a large sum of their tuition debt wiped if they sign a training contract. The exact details to be announced soon. You only need 1000 TT civilian or 750 TT mil for the RATP with a bachelors or 1250 TT associates degree.

Rotorwashed

I think they are either vastly overstating or over estimating the significance of a flight school partnership like this. Private pilots are already interviewing at united, I don’t see the real attraction to allegiants program. At best it only kicks the can a few years down the road when the attrition from the people who’s commitment expires skyrockets. Who could possibly predict a bunch of 20 year olds, who have no family, and have never spent time on the road on overnights wouldn’t want to stick around for a discount priced career at allegiant

tailendcharlie

Point taken; there are other partnership pathways that land you at a regional with total 1st year pay over $100k & you’re based in a real city from the get-go. Vs. Allegiant - make $50k & have to hopscotch around the small base structure as you wait to finally get to your domicile of choice. Where’s the incentive?

Jim Rockford

No reason you can’t get it right out of the gate. I’m thinking no matter which base you insert in that question the peanut gallerys answer will all sound the same.

KC135

It really is unpleasant flying with the new hires who were told they will get any base right away by the recruiters and now Jim. I can tell you haven’t flown with FO’s who are being threatened divorce bc they only make it home a few days per month.

Fishon320

I think there needs to be legislation passed to address this issue. For example in the insurance industry you would be thrown in jail for making statements and guarantees (based, upgrades ect) and locked up with Bernie Madoff for years. The pilot group at allegiant is amazing, pilots in my base were great. On the other hand the recruiters here should be thrown in jail. Divorces are just the tip of the iceberg. The people here care about their family life and recruiters took advantage of that. Some pilots passed on a legacy, lots of seniority lost, some not given a second chance after passing on a class. These people should be legally bound in their recruiting statements. Be honest…. Based on our model You will be a junior FO forever in your base. Or based on our model you will never upgrade in base unless you have 25 plus years left. Or based on our mode we will promise you DSM, and you will get it but what we left out is that will come 7 years after your divorce is finalized. Great union leadership at allegiant, and the new leaders in flight operations and training are amazing people. Im praying for all here that things are gonna get better. They either have to change the model so people can progress, or be honest with their recruitment

JediCheese

What did they do at their previous airline? If they've been at an airline previously, they should know the drill. If they haven't been at an airline before, they're either getting divorced because the SO can't hack this lifestyle or they're getting out of this career (at least the airline part of it. The local FBO might be hiring citation pilots for their 135).

Unless the company changed the interview in the last year, a decent part was asking how you would cope with not getting the base you wanted and getting exiled for a year to middle of nowhere base the company can't staff.

KC135

What did they do at their previous airline? They didn't have single days off and were based in a commutable city often having 5-10 flights a day home so they spent a lot of time home with there families often. When your days off are Tues, Wed, Sat or when you're in a 10 day off month, you often only have Tuesday and Saturday off if you're junior. You'll likely get off reserve late the night before and start early day 1. At other airlines there are a handful of bases with some having 100-400 per seat so there is always movement, not 24 bases with an average of 20 per seat with most bases having no growth. The drill here is nothing like other airlines because of the day trip business model, I've flown with guys that only made it home 1 full commute free day per month for the whole summer. They all say the same thing, which is they felt lied to about what to expect here. It's possible a lot has changed with recruiting in the last year. I'm really not trying to be negative, just keeping it real so I can fly with people who aren't miserable.

Fishon320

Yea they did.

Spdbrd

Reasons you might not get DSM out of the gate:

1. Established base where pilots have settled.
2. No growth at present, meaning minimal movement, and barely any backfilling of slots.
3. Attrition and lack of new-hires has resulted in scaling back of flying in many bases, so when someone leaves they aren’t filling that vacancy.
4. Company needs to staff new bases e.g. PVU.

The company will put you where they need you, and until we can hire and retain enough pilots to constitute growth, bring on more aircraft etc. this is how things will be for the foreseeable future.