New Hire question
12-05-2022, 10:09 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 45
The people posting here that home every night is not a benefit is curious at the least. Why would anyone be here if not for the home every night model? Why are KC, Marg, 310, V2, tailend, etc why are y’all still here?
Actions speak louder than words. y’all haven’t left and my guess it’s because y’all really value the home every night benefit. If you don’t value it then I truly have no idea why you would possibly stay. Why else would anyone stay?
Please feel free to chime in because the only thing keeping me here is home every night and I have to assume that y’all are in the same boat.
If you live in base, this place, even with all the warts and vindictive management is the best airline for people who truly value the out and back model and being home 99% of the nights.
Actions speak louder than words. y’all haven’t left and my guess it’s because y’all really value the home every night benefit. If you don’t value it then I truly have no idea why you would possibly stay. Why else would anyone stay?
Please feel free to chime in because the only thing keeping me here is home every night and I have to assume that y’all are in the same boat.
If you live in base, this place, even with all the warts and vindictive management is the best airline for people who truly value the out and back model and being home 99% of the nights.
12-06-2022, 05:16 AM
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A-320
Posts: 175
Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.
I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.
I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.
12-06-2022, 06:29 AM
#113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 713
Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.
I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
I wish I had never set foot in this place but I am very much stuck due to circumstances beyond my control right now. And no I am not going to elaborate. So to you ass hats telling me to leave, I say NO.
I will fight from the inside to improve this place or at the very least prevent anybody making the same mistake that I made in coming here.
Actions speak loud than words…if it was as bad as you say it is then you’d leave too.
Be realistic and look at what you are saying: I can’t leave, I’m forced to be here, I have no control over my career.
This place has plenty of warts and our contract is an embarrassment to the industry. Management is vindictive. But being home every night 99% of the time is a major QOL for some of us and the only reason I can fathom somebody would stay here or come here vs legacy hiring.
12-06-2022, 06:33 AM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 948
I take no issue with anyone deciding to be a Allegiant lifer or prioritizing QOL over money. Just understand that we will negotiate the best industry-standard contract possible, period. The company decides where and how to operate the airplanes. If day trips are here to stay, that’s not part of our benefits package. Management and their apologists on here will try to tell you otherwise.
12-06-2022, 07:16 AM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 713
I take no issue with anyone deciding to be a Allegiant lifer or prioritizing QOL over money. Just understand that we will negotiate the best industry-standard contract possible, period. The company decides where and how to operate the airplanes. If day trips are here to stay, that’s not part of our benefits package. Management and their apologists on here will try to tell you otherwise.
12-06-2022, 07:47 AM
#116
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,215
Haha, but still no one wants to answer the question why they stay. "None of your business". Is it that much of a secret?
Ill go first: I stay because I value my family time more than Delta/AA/United money. The day I have to spend 2-4 nights a week away dragging a bag through a hotel again will be awful. Been there done that. Thats just me. Everyones situation is different and obviously QOL mileage here WILL vary.
Will this place implode and I will be forced to go work at a Legacy? Maybe. Maybe I will give up flying altogether at that point. I want an industry leading CBA here as well, but Im not an "idiot" for passing up the biggest hiring wave blah blah blah.
Ill go first: I stay because I value my family time more than Delta/AA/United money. The day I have to spend 2-4 nights a week away dragging a bag through a hotel again will be awful. Been there done that. Thats just me. Everyones situation is different and obviously QOL mileage here WILL vary.
Will this place implode and I will be forced to go work at a Legacy? Maybe. Maybe I will give up flying altogether at that point. I want an industry leading CBA here as well, but Im not an "idiot" for passing up the biggest hiring wave blah blah blah.
Need therapy much? So if someone is happy with this place they have to just shut up and not make a peep?
Actions speak loud than words…if it was as bad as you say it is then you’d leave too.
Be realistic and look at what you are saying: I can’t leave, I’m forced to be here, I have no control over my career.
This place has plenty of warts and our contract is an embarrassment to the industry. Management is vindictive. But being home every night 99% of the time is a major QOL for some of us and the only reason I can fathom somebody would stay here or come here vs legacy hiring.
Actions speak loud than words…if it was as bad as you say it is then you’d leave too.
Be realistic and look at what you are saying: I can’t leave, I’m forced to be here, I have no control over my career.
This place has plenty of warts and our contract is an embarrassment to the industry. Management is vindictive. But being home every night 99% of the time is a major QOL for some of us and the only reason I can fathom somebody would stay here or come here vs legacy hiring.
Those tools that say 'leave if you don't like this place' have no idea why someone might still be here, have no idea why they came here or anything in between. If your happy, be happy and be quiet.
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
If its so great why do we have such an attrition problem at the bottom of the seniority list right now? I think you will find they are leaving fast. Not staying, leaving. Is it because maybe QOL is terrible for the junior guys and they experience the suck and say now way I'm out? You senior guys who have the QOL, do so at the expense of the junior guys. And you are threatened because if enough junior guys leave, your base may close or you may get downgraded, or worse - you may end up on reserve in a base you don't want. So for those still listening and thinking of coming here, those posting rainbows and unicorns here need you to do the **** work so that they can have their easy life at your expense. Any rocking of the boat threatens them,
12-06-2022, 09:00 AM
#117
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 713
Are there some reserve pilots that get jerked around? absolutely, I have repeated it to everyone who asks that sitting in reserve in FL would be terrible at least four months out of the year...TERRIBLE.
Sitting reserve in a small base is incredibly cush. You get called out a couple times a week. Some small bases (BLI) the reserves don't even fly enough to get their landings.
If you want to liken sitting reserve in FL to being a "slave belowdeck who must keep rowing" then whatever. I think it might be a little out of touch, but I don't judge. Siting reserve in LAS or IWA can be a pain, but i still pick up RAPs to pad my pay and roll the dice because its still not that bad and in most cases its free money.
And for new hires, who are most certainly going to a small base, sitting reserve is generally pretty nice. If you're trying to get to FL, I'd forget about it because your QOL will be way different than most of the pilots across the system. Just my two cents.
12-08-2022, 04:11 AM
#118
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 5
Probably the better way to phrase it is legacy pilots, at least narrowbody domestic types, spend more time sitting around. I would argue since they work for mature companies with robust infrastructure, decades of experience running a real airline, & work under a proper CBA, they work less hard than the Allegiant pilot who just to name one example don’t even have PDC…..
12-08-2022, 06:55 AM
#119
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 222
PDC is definitely a stretch, but there are tons of 4 leg 12+ hour duty days here too. We just do them for half the pay of everywhere else. Whatever base you’re in must be one of the lucky ones if you can avoid them.
12-08-2022, 07:34 AM
#120
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Captain for Skyhawks
Posts: 479
home every night = 4 leg days 3 days in a row to min rest in your bed with pushed show times?
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