Contract negotiations
11-29-2022, 09:10 PM
#802
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Posts: 76
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We are currently at the “direct negotiations” stage. The Union has indicated that if no further progress is made, mediation will be requested by the end of the year or early in 2023. But even that is a moving target dependent on what sections are drafted, passed, and agreed upon over the coming weeks/months. Mediation could take years, as already indicated by other comments.
I have faith in our union leadership, but they have to work with in the confines of the RLA and obey the rules, especially if they’re to have any success with the NMB. They also (like, I think, every pilot on property) want to see Allegiant thrive, and simply telling everyone to quit is not productive (and is also illegal). All this could culminate in a strike, but a lot has to happen before that. We’re all impatient to see progress, but until the company starts engaging seriously or the NMB intervenes, we have a choice to stick it out, or move on.
I really want this place to succeed, and have been generally optimistic. Sadly the last few weeks have made me wonder if we’ll even be able to function a year from now without a dramatic shift in attitude from the company.
11-29-2022, 10:37 PM
#803
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11-30-2022, 03:47 AM
#804
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 158
Not really. I'm starting to figure it out, but nothing beyond the basics. Of life to find some detail on the airline specifics. I'm fresh out of the air force (so in actually), so this is all new to me. Trying to learn as much as possible.
11-30-2022, 05:12 AM
#805
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 21
Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.
11-30-2022, 06:28 AM
#807
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,170
To be fair, some of us can leave, and many have left, but not you. You're still here. You're not going anywhere. Ask yourself why. The dress down scene at the beginning of Maverick springs to mind. "You've been in this industry for over 25 years, yet you're still at the lowest paid and worst treated bottom feeder ULCC in the country. Why?"
11-30-2022, 06:30 AM
#808
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,170
Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.
11-30-2022, 06:38 AM
#809
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 948
Nope, after 7 years I've decided to leave. It's obvious that this isn't a place to stay unless your a mid-level CA. It would have been nice if the Union leadership had been honest about the contract. Why put out joint statements with the company? All they did was so things down for themselves and prevent the "fence sitters " from leaving sooner and getting a number somewhere better.
11-30-2022, 10:30 AM
#810
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A-320
Posts: 175
What we have now is a 1st contract on the property. Of course it's not perfect Other "mainline" airlines have contracts that are 50+ years old that have gone through dozens of negotiating cycles. Andrew and Co. sold everyone on this narrative that the "previous administration" f'd everyone to turn the pilots against them and get what he wanted with his own kingdom... er Local, because they were the bosses in 1224 holding his reigns and purse strings and he didn't like that. But they really did the best they could at the time against Maury with the resources they had (a lot less than now). And let's face it, this negotiation is about to drag on a lot longer than that one did considering we aren't even in mediation yet. Yet nobody seems pi$sed at him for that and you still hear people taking the names of the "previous administration" key players in vain. Funny how the victors get to tell history.
But AR is out of his depth with some real rookie mistakes. Signing the July 4th MOA last year for premium pay for the few, signing a LOA to work hard with the company to get a new contract and then publishing it. Any time he helps the company get trips picked up or retain pilots he's working against himself and against the pilot group. If its intentional to drag out the assessment, then that's one thing. But I prefer to think he's just making mistakes. I hope I'm right.
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