G4slumdod

Picking Allegiant over Delta is like hitting with 20 showing. Might work out but pretty dumb

Vettekid

Guess that depends on what you are after. Delta is a GUARANTEE I will be on the road a good bit. Likely half the month or more for several years. Im 42 with young kids, I would rather be home at night and make less, even if I work harder overall, than be gone on the road. My kids need my time more than my money right now. After 20 years of deploying and TDYs, Id like to be around a little more often. Even at current rates, my income would still be more than 90% of American's, plus i have a good pension. So money isnt really an issue (although I do have a minimum, which Allegiant meets). I got a while before I start, so I can afford to see how things play out (July 23). But from the people I have met in person so far im not seeing any major concerns. Could it be better? Sure, but then again Delta just voted to strike...so there is always something to complain about.

j3cub

You sound like a solid candidate. And you are right, time with the family and kids is valuable.

IFartInYourSeat

Dude/dudette… I mean, I know you know what you want but I don’t think you know what the company knows what they’re gonna do with you. Like, you are on a track to spend less time at home… especially once you get your base in Florida.

Home-every-night is a way for the company to work you harder. I mean, I gave someone a ride who was ok with commuting until they got IWA. Dude was like 8 back before being the plug

You do you, but HEN is not what you think it is in a busy base. You literally will spend more time working to get less pay than you would flipping burgers in many cases.

Squeakygreaser

Well, I guess what we can infer from capt Nates insider info is that Allegiant management is not willing to come close to Alaska pay rates. At least not today.

Not great news.

Margaritaville

What? I was right again? Say it any so.

a pass is not a contract or even a TA, regardless of the sunshine Nate and J3 want to blow up everyone's ass.

Their management handlers passed them a carrot to keep people here until January. Just like they did back in May to keep people through the summer. Zzzzzz nothing to see here. Same old nonsense.

rdneckpilot

Make sure you know the relative seniority of the people you are talking to at Allegiant and have realistic expectations regarding how long it will take you to get the same. Which base also matters a lot. There was a dude in my new hire class just like you. Military retirement, family, Florida resident and valued quality of life over money. Got his Sanford base within the first year. Then reality set in for being junior in Sanford. It was not home every night with lots of time for kids.

he’s at delta now.

I liked allegiant as well but when I started doing the math on seniority progression and realistic schedule expectations the decision to leave for an offer at AA was very easy.

There are a few from my class that have stayed because it’s working out for them. ~20% of the class is still on property.

Nothing I said means allegiant is inherently bad. In fact when I was at allegiant it was the best job to that point in my career but AA has been much better for me.

Good luck and I wish you well. Hopefully whatever you decide works out.

Vettekid

Can you elaborate on this? I know I'm new and still learning, but I feel like I'm missing significant information here. Is there some company info that isn't public you are seeing?

flydiamond

no, nor do I believe anybody on here who claims they have management connections. The labor management relationship here is currently so toxic I question any pilot who claims they are close to management.

however, unless something changes big time in the economy (above and beyond this recent inflation), I think most can say with certainty at some point we will get paid market rates with market work rules for the job we do. Anything less seems unacceptable to the union and pilots, and the company cannot continue to pay the current rates. How soon and how much damage the company self inflicts on dragging out the process, and whether or not they can recover from that, remain to be seen. They have a very strong track record of self harm in the name of labor hate. This is what should give those coming in major pause. Also, now, more than ever, you are unlikely to hold your desired base soon as we are only hiring about 10 pilots a month. And there is only so much more net attrition they can take before they have to close some of the bases.

Squeakygreaser

The Union doesn't tell us what they are asking of management in negotiations. But Capt Nate did, a few pages back, claiming he had an inside source, and as a way of demonstrating he really had inside info he told us when that happened. His claim of when it happened turned out to be exactly correct verified by our official comms from the union, where they told us that the offer they made to management was rejected and management made a counter offer, which they rejected.

But actually what Nate said, looking back at it, was they were asking significantly more than Alaska pay rates. So, maybe we really can't determine from that what management is willing to pay at this point.