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That’s why it’s Sunseeker hotel not Allegiant hotel

captnate702

heard from a source that the exco finished section 3 and is gonna be passing soon. i'm hearing that the rates are significantly higher than Alaska's new rates. plus huge improvements to min guarantees, min duty pay, deadhead, etc.

now we will see how serious management is about getting a deal done...

tom11011

I know for sure a section was passed by the union on 11/2 but no idea which one.

captnate702

do you know if it was a new section that the union passed yesterday or was it a counter proposal to a section that they already passed?

Margaritaville

Thats odd because usually pay is the last section negotiated. Are you telling me that all the other sections are closed out? We know they aren't.

Also did you hear it from the union or is it a rumor? Or is it a union guy spreading BS rumors that you fell for hook line and sinker? Or is it your handlers in management holding out another "you'll regret it if you leave now" carrot to get the company through the holidays? Lol

tom11011

No don't know, sorry.

captnate702

heard from a very reliable source. i then reached out to top union leadership and got no responses from them which is unusual, normally i get at least a "now's not a good time" or "can't talk about ___". the source was adamant that section 3 was done and that the exco has just been waiting to see if the Alaska deal gets ratified. i believe the source. they have been on point in the past.

It makes sense the union would be putting our rates on the table soon now that Alaska's is set. no fear that Allegiant will be leapfrogged again. anybody with half a brain knew that exco wouldn't pass anything related to compensation until one of the bigger airlines set the bar.

Margaritaville

Why don't you pm me the name of the source. Put your money where your mouth is.

Either your "source" is BS (very likely) or the union guys and their attorney who has never negotiated an RLA contract before don't know what they're doing. One doesn't simply point at a ratified agreement and say "we'll take that plus X% now". You have to close the other sections first in order to cost out the entire deal. That's why compensation is last. Your tall tale simply doesn't make sense. You wouldn't pass a compensation proposal then go back and hit scheduling and hours of service.

I say you're full of crap, as usual. I'm sticking with your management handlers sent you to spread this one for obvious reasons.

captnate702

its possible that the source is spreading BS rumors and that i am falling for them hook line and sinker, but the source is on point and was adamant that section 3 was done. not looking to get into name calling Marg, if you don't believe it then don't believe it. but we will know soon enough when AR's video comes out this weekend - next week is his birthday and i hear he's taking the week off

What is so unbelievable about the union passing rates now that Alaska has set the bar? i've been saying for months that the exco was waiting to pass rates until one of the legacy carriers got a deal done. i assumed (wrongly) that it would be UA, but it turns out Alaska was first. now exco at least know what the market is for NB pilots so they can make sure to put out rates that are higher than alaska's - in this case the rates are significantly higher than alaska's.

Margaritaville

Like I said above what's so unbelievable is that no airline negotiates in Section 6 that way. It would be completely asinine to pass compensation before the other sections are closed out with known costs and you DO NOT just take a negotiated rate and demand it. That's not how negotiations work. It's a package not a pay rate. I really hope your source is BS and they aren't that simplistic.