9easy

Apples and oranges. I talk to friends at Delta all the time, even with 18 days off they usually clock in the high 200's for TAFB. Mine barely breaks 100. If you want to max out your total comp you probably never came to allegiant to begin with. When we are actually flying the plane, we should be paid exactly the same as a mainline pilot. 17% direct contribution is the new standard. If you think you're going to make a ton of soft money at allegiant doing day trips, you're delusional. Even with min day pay, it will only force the company to be a little more efficient with trip pairings, but I doubt you'll see many LAS-SAN-LAS trips paying 5:15.

Margaritaville

For about a month. Lol.

What a disingenuous statement.

Exactly. anyone who's been in this industry more than a minute knows pay rates are the flashy bling but what really matters is the overall compensation package.

Margaritaville

So what you're telling me is you're willing to accept less so that you can be home every night. Not only that, you're telling others they should accept less so you can be home every night.

Cool story, bro.

j3cub

Not everyone is 100% motivated by money, bro.

Margaritaville

I know pilots say that but in my experience, when a TA comes out, "Compensation" is the first section they read. IJS.

"The Money" was most definitely the selling point in the current contract. Eyes were watering.

Smallcheese12

Not everyone is motivated by money, but when you're making 150K less than pilots from other airlines to push the same tin for the "only airline to profit and grow post covid", we need to have a conversation about money. For your average 25-30 year old pilot G4 is hiring, thats about 4mil in income less than a legacy driver (excluding retirement). If being home is worth that much money to you, more power to you, but I think you're worth more than what we are paid, and I think that I am too.

People coming here have to accept that they are sacrificing that kind of money, giving up on schedule flexibility and getting days off they need, welcoming threatening emails for calling off on a day their seniority should have held off but got G4'd, and so much more! If being home is the only thing that matters to you, and you're happy to miss your kids Friday night game, willing to spend 1-2 months a year on TDY at the bottom, then welcome aboard. The day trips are a poison pill. What happens when the airline that clearly has no plan for the future decides they don't work anymore? Then what are we left with talking about? If day trips worked for large airlines, every airline would be doing them. We aren't smarter than the rest. If the pyramid scheme doesn't continue to grow, and the bases stop opening, how else do you think we are growing the airline?

Anything can happen at G4 in the next few years. Do not come here for something that isn't ironclad protected in a contract or federal law, you'll be disappointed. As far as this contract goes we are setting ourselves up for failure if we vote into a subpar contract that doesn't address QOL and pay issues across the system, not just specific to our airline but specific to the multitude of avenues our airline could go down.

captnate702

150k less than other pilots until we get our next contract. Our next contract will be significantly more than Alaska's TA and right in line with United and Delta. We have been assured by our EXCO (individually and to the entire pilot group), that our next contract will be no less than industry standard and that standard is Delta and United. If you come here, you will take a paycut short-term, but in the long run you will be paid on par with the legacies and get to be in your own bed at night (after training and assuming you live in base). Work rules will also be on par with the legacies. And even if you don't want to live in base, union has said that the next contract will absolutely have commuter language for pilots looking to upgrade but don't want to uproot their family for a few years while they chase an upgrade across the system.

I don't know why there is so much negativity on these threads when every pilot on here knows that the Union has guaranteed us an industry leading contract - they won't even let us vote on a contract if it is less than industry leading. So again i ask the question: why would you go anywhere else when you can get the easy day trips and the pay/work rules that the legacies have???

The truth is, the negative pilots on here think that bashing the company is gonna give leverage to the Union in negotiations. If it was really as bad as they all say, they would have left already for a legacy. Shoot, if its as bad as they say, they'd be leaving in droves for Mesa given their new rates. So why do they stay, when they are likely years away from retirement (we have one of the youngest pilot groups in the industry)? Because they know how great the day trips are; they've already seen management is serious about improving the culture (we have fully replaced our training department and recently our scheduling department in the last 12 months). These pilots also know that we will get the industry leading contract we deserve and get to fly easy day trips and that there is no better airline to work for during a recession (the housing crisis was the gold rush for allegiant, huge revenue and pilot growth during that time).

If you trust the EXCO, as all the pilots on here do (minus Margi) then you all know that we will be the best airline for pay in addition to the best airline for QOL and the best airline for work rules. And negotiations have been picking up, Maury is still chasing AR and getting TAs done. Now that Alaska has TA'd their rates, I expect the union will be passing rates to management very soon. And yes, they will be higher than Alaska's.

Margaritaville

Is this a joke? Do you have any idea how negotiations work?

The union could promise you a million dollars and a pony. They can "promise" you anything. But they can't just wave their magic wand and make the company agree to it. If you see some kind of leverage the union has to make the company settle for more than DL/UA/AA that we missed let's hear it. Until then your entire post, and your previous posts like it are complete horse crap. It reads like management propaganda hoping to stop the bleeding. Fact is, nobody is going to come here or stay here because the union "promised" to get them an industry leading contract some undetermined time in the future when every other airline is offering it now. Day trips could be gone tomorrow with a memo.

Also, keep my name out yo' keyboard. Name checking me doesn't give you the credibility you think it does. I may complain a lot, but all of my predictions have come true. Yours have not. You also don't speak for this pilot group "Everyone except [me] supports the union". GMAFB. Tell yourself whatever you want to know dude. Most guys are afraid to speak up. That's why you always see the same 50 guys stroking Andrew on Facebook.

Smallcheese12

Yeap, come here for the carrot of the next contract, while the legacies are hiring our pool and pilots to go where the contract is already industry leading. We'll be paid on par with legacy 2018 contracts until they sign their new one less than 6 months after ours just like last time. Don't confuse negativity for reality. I didn't say anything that wasn't true. I'm not going to base my career on a magic 8 ball and a dangling carrot.

G4slumdod

There are plenty of Jr pilots here that are not home every night. If it doesn't say you will be home every night then plan on not being home. Don't come here if you think you will be. Many are but many aren't and it can change month to month. You will be used and abused.