Contract negotiations
09-12-2022, 06:41 PM
#581
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Skywest, Gojet, Mesa, Commutair, et al just passed contracts within this summer with 75% pay increases. This was done out of necessity, not NMB bargaining. If a company wants to get a contract done, they can do it. Allegiant is next on the food chain after Skywest, and the 737s are coming. Time is ticking.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
09-12-2022, 06:47 PM
#582
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To be clear: they didn’t “pass” contracts whatever that means. Management and Alpa/Union/Pilots agreed to increase their pay rates immediately with the Union.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
09-12-2022, 07:32 PM
#583
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That is absolutely not going to happen. Full contract re-write or no deal. The union learned their lesson when management renegaded on the PBS negotiations after the first contract. Also, the tone I get from most pilots is that subpar QOL is even worse than our subpar pay.
09-12-2022, 07:40 PM
#584
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I agree with him that market forces are creating more leverage for for us than the NMB would be... although that's certainly not going to deter the Exco from entering the process.
09-13-2022, 04:30 AM
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To be clear: they didn’t “pass” contracts whatever that means. Management and Alpa/Union/Pilots agreed to increase their pay rates immediately with the Union.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
09-13-2022, 05:43 AM
#587
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To be clear: they didn’t “pass” contracts whatever that means. Management and Alpa/Union/Pilots agreed to increase their pay rates immediately with the Union.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
Management and exco would be wise to agree to an immediate pay raise like the other carriers…at least that what 9easy is suggesting here.
Yet another out of touch comment from Nate, an aloof senior who couldn't GAF about anything except flying his trip as scheduled, going home, eating his dinner, and counting his money from VFNs.
Something seems familiar about the number 702...
09-13-2022, 06:22 AM
#588
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And even if/when this does happen, the NMB cannot force the company to do anything. I’m sure they have every intention of dragging this out as long as they can to avoid paying and treating us properly. What the NMB can do is declare an impasse which could ultimately enable us to strike.
09-13-2022, 06:31 AM
#589
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The company isn’t “waiting” for the NMB. It will be the Union that applies to the NMB for assistance, once all proposed language for the new CBA has been drafted, and if the company continues to not negotiate “in good faith”. Sure, the tide *could* change, but that seems unlikely based on past behavior.
And even if/when this does happen, the NMB cannot force the company to do anything. I’m sure they have every intention of dragging this out as long as they can to avoid paying and treating us properly. What the NMB can do is declare an impasse which could ultimately enable us to strike.
And even if/when this does happen, the NMB cannot force the company to do anything. I’m sure they have every intention of dragging this out as long as they can to avoid paying and treating us properly. What the NMB can do is declare an impasse which could ultimately enable us to strike.
Like everything else in the RLA, it's intended to facilitate an agreement but in reality, all it does is drag the process out. That's why it's usually management that makes the first filing.
If they can get an agreement outside of mediation, then it behooves them to do so. Both sides.
09-13-2022, 06:48 AM
#590
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Maury would take that deal for a large raise and no work rule changes tomorrow if the union and pilot group would approve it. But the pilot group as a whole would never ratify it so Andrew tells the company no. That's one thing I'll give him credit for.
Yet another out of touch comment from Nate, an aloof senior who couldn't GAF about anything except flying his trip as scheduled, going home, eating his dinner, and counting his money from VFNs.
Something seems familiar about the number 702...
Yet another out of touch comment from Nate, an aloof senior who couldn't GAF about anything except flying his trip as scheduled, going home, eating his dinner, and counting his money from VFNs.
Something seems familiar about the number 702...
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