FreshWater

I agree with the recession not having much of an effect on G4. It’s not like we fly families on their way to Hawaii or Europe. We mostly fly conus trailer park destinations, or dirt bag Mexican air to mêhicõ. They’ll be plenty of unemployment money to go around.

Jim Rockford

You still don't get it. Buckle up and grab a Snickers. You're in for a looonngg ride.

310skying

I’ll wager a snickers, contract AIP by NOV 22. (If it passes or not is another question)

captnate702

Why would anybody want a re-write over a sack of cash?? You think if we re-write the contract management and ms foster will suddenly stop doing the same old $h*+??

The one thing management can’t break in the contract is paying me high rates. That number doesn’t lie…words can be manipulated, pay rates cannot.

Jim Rockford

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tom11011

According to AR video April 16th, the hurdle they are working on is what happens if the contract is violated. To paraphrase, they are aware that without these protections, the rest of the contract could be meaningless. The first 1 minute and 20 seconds describes the issue perfectly.

According to AR video May 7th, things are looking up. I don't have any reason to doubt him right now so cautiously optimistic. Some bold statements were made to that effect, not that it can't change for the worse but I assume he believes what he says.

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I do not see anything that says simple normal progress is not being made. I am happy for the time being to let this team do its work and withhold judgement for a later date. I hope my feelings are not misplaced but time will tell.

310skying

Reasonably stated, and a great analysis of the current situation. Nice to see some reason around here

tom11011

This pilot group has put up with a lot of abuse from this company, I can see why many are jaded as there is a lack of trust here that can only be fixed with a culture change that starts at the very top. Maybe things will change under the new leadership on June 1st. This pilot group simply wants industry standard, there is no argument to do anything less. But I think we should take AR at his word it will probably not be very quick as no contract has ever been signed without the assistance of NMB which puts us fairly far down the road. If NMB is not involved that would be a first.

captnate702

I get that he wants certainty for what happens when the contract is violated. But the certainty is arbitration. There is no other mechanism to enforce the contract with the RLA hanging over our heads.

The problem is we keep getting told that arbitration wins are coming but then we keep losing the “industry standard” arbitrations. Union was super confident about VFNs, rental cars, SAP going abg, Merlot, etc. and we’ve lost all of them. If we lose the RAPs one then that is a long losing streak.

The strategy worked for a while but something happened and now all do we lose. I don’t want the hope of winning arbitrations to enforce the next contract. This just seems like stuff to make the exco and AR’s job easier. He’s not some selfless leader that is just trying to serve others (see his PGD line every month), he’s a politician making sure he gets his and imo all this noise about sections 18 and 19 are more for his benefit than mine.

Just pay me more money. Make vfns 300%, increase my guarantee, increase my rates, top notch retirement DC, etc. all those numbers cannot be argued or manipulated. Those numbers I know I will get because numbers do not lie.

FreshWater

The survey contradicts a pay rate only contract. The majority of us resoundingly want an industry leading contract. That includes robust language from beginning to end. AR is complying with this data from the pilot group. Means we won’t get one in the near future. Maybe lobby for another survey? Maybe the pilot group as a majority will say screw reserve rules, the hell with industry min days off, industry scheduling practices, industry reserve call out, etc...

Unless and until that happens, AR is complying with the wishes of the pilot group via the survey. Begrudging the wealth of AR is fodder for contesting his elected position. It’s an elected position. Don’t vote for him when his tenure is up.