FreshWater

Bottom line, if you’re new this will be a long process, as it should be with an airline like allegiant. If management wants it done now, that tells you whatever they have to offer now won’t benefit us long term. Two to three years, best case scenario.

310skying

Fine, you got me, we would be going to a mediator… the rest of what I say still stands. The mediator would still be the most pro labor mediator the industry has seen.

we lost 45 mill in Q1 due to crew IROPS (a new contract is way cheaper than this), the company wants 350 planes and 1400 routes by the end of the decade. Explain to me how Thais happens without a contract this year.

I know your answer is going to be: recession, doom, gloom… even with a recession our demand is insatiable right now. Go look at Redmonds compensation package. He makes nothing if we don’t grow the airline, he has 45+ mill a year motivating him to expand like crazy. To do this he needs more pilots, there is no amount if shrinking the airline that will get him the stock valuations he needs to hit.

The economic reality for Maury, Redmond, and us is a contract has to happen this year, and I’ll laugh all the way to the bank when your doom and gloom is proven wrong.

310skying

it does not have to be a long process, even with an airline like allegiant. Management wants it done now and the union wants it done now. The unions stance is the longest this will take is two years from April 2022, and that involves mediation.

The key to dealing with an airline like allegiant that does not follow our current contact are sections 18 and 19. The union and mike urban are very aware of this and that is why 18 and 19 are the sections that have been passed back and forth the most. We have what we want for those sections written and as soon as the company agrees to those a contract will fall into place quickly.

look at United they don’t actually have any of their sections written, it’s an AIP and a TA is expected to be written by lawyers over the next six weeks. If we get 18 and 19 TAd I would expect an AIP for the rest to follow and do the same thing most airlines do. Lock the lawyers in a room for a month and finish the language for the remaining 18 sections under the AIP framework.

FreshWater

United is a century old. They have had many contracts. The legacies are monolithic utilities with no original investors that are living. They are not run by one emotionally charged patriarch who has too much ego and their own money tied into the airline.

Margaritaville

350 airplanes and 1400 routs is a wish list. The economics simply aren't there. Unless allegiant plans to start competing head to head with other airlines (they don't) we have run out of places to fly. Look at most of what they have announced in the last few years. Very few new cities mostly just new routes between places we already fly from elsewhere.

The fact that you think Redmond makes nothing without growth is hilarious. Management always gets theirs. they'll just buy back stock or something.

Not doom and gloom just reality. Can't help that you don't like it. I truly believe allegiant's best days are in the past. Stick your head in the sand if you want to but that doesn't change reality. Maury is going to have to sleep in the bed he made by treating everyone like dirt for a few decades.

Margaritaville

Here's the glaring hole in your argument. Yes both sides want it now but they are light years apart on what "it' is. The union wants a full rewrite (or so they say) and Maury wants to dump a truckload of cash on top of current book. I don't see that getting closer any time soon.

Your comment about 18 and 19 being the keystone is ridiculous because as you said they don't care if we win arbitrations and don't follow the contract anyhow. How do you make a company that doesn't care, doesn't follow the contract, ignores arbitrators, and gets away with it keep their promises? You don't.

Not that we've won any arbitrations lately anyhow.

310skying

Maybe talk to a steward, watch our quarterly union meeting, or any of ARs videos. None of what you are saying is true.

also we gust got a 1.9 mill payout plus another couple hundred grand for admin days… so yeah, no arbitration wins

Margaritaville

Yeah you probably think I should watch CNN to get the real scoop on what's happening in the world too. Lol.

The biggest problem with the "official channels" in 2118 is they are massively biased toward making the leadership look good. That's the political machine at work (all unions are this way, ALPA included). These guys aren't getting off the gravy train any time soon. They don't have to win they just have to sell feels of winning to everyone. I'll do my own research, thanks.

310skying

Getting a new contract doesn’t get the union guys off the gravy train, It makes it bigger. It’s true the union try’s to make themselves look good, but saying that a contract is going in the right direction does not help them. Their leverage comes from 1st year attrition. I don’t think AR would say stay, unless a deal was within reach because it makes the leverage disappear.

Clearly you love your tin foil hat, so I’ll stop trying to take it away from you

Margaritaville

Tell me again when the assessment ends? Seems revenue cutting in half would have an impact. But that's not what's happening here. I don't believe AR wants to drag it out management does. AR wants to make sure he always looks good even when he loses and that's normal for a fat cat union boss. His reno came out pretty well though don't you think? Love the mood lighting.

Lol. I'll trade you a tin foil hat for some of that kool-aid you've got.