j3cub

Its all a well choreographed kabuki dance that dangles nothing more than a carrot and hopes to persuade pilots to stick it out just a little bit longer... Just long enough for the economy to tank, Age 67 to get ratified, etc etc etc.

Ill believe a new CBA when I see it.

FreshWater

“Hope is not a strategy”*.



*MG covid 2020.

SloNLow

Keep Calm. We’ll have a new contract by Christmas.

Smallcheese12

I’d wear that lanyard

KC135

Yep, the one in 2027.

310skying

So what do we get when it happens before the end of 2022… some of you just don’t want to see the economic differences from this negotiation cycle and our first.

if TT was blowing hot air at us I’d say 2027 was accurate, but we have Maury and Scott on earnings calls saying it’s their #1 priority. Pilot staffing was the main highlight of the most recent 8k. M gets a worse deal if he drags this out to arbitration and he knows that.

if we drag out to arbitration Redmonds compensation package would become worthless, and they would be stuck with the most pro union arbitrators in 35 years with delta United and American contract most likely published before we close out.

the economic reality is contract by the end of the year, or we close up shop/get bought out. Bottom line as much as uncle M has beat you in the past, if the SEC filings, Union head, and economic reality of a pilot shortage and 2billion dollar aircraft order say something will happen, it probably will.

Jim Rockford

Keep dreaming! Some people never learn…….

Jim Rockford

Expect a long……drawn out contract. Nothing less.

tailendcharlie

The reason IMO this is going to drag out is AR is insisting on rewriting large swaths of contract language, not just a single page of bullet points & “TBD’s”. There’s so much to change it’ll effectively end the “We’re Allegiant we’re different & you need to be flexible” mentality. It’ll be the end of the airline we know, at least from a pilot QOL standpoint. Not to mention the fact yhey can’t follow the agreement we currently have. That has to fundamentally change. And I don’t see that happening without a long drawn-out battle.

Margaritaville

There's no arbitration clause in our contract. Arbitration is when an arbitrator imposes a contract like at Alaska in the merger. It's called "baseball style arbitration". Everyone loses.

You're thinking of mediation which is a federal facilitator (mediator) who is supposed to keep everyone honest but really only drags it out because they control the time line.

It's annoying how everyone makes this mistake. It's as irritating as people who say "couldn't care less" or say something is "rediculous" (ridiculous). We aren't going to an arbitrator.

As for your theory that the time is now, why in the world would the company want to settle now at high cotton for pilots when they know a drought is coming and prices will hit rock bottom? The time is now for the pilots. In a year or two it will greatly favor management. Of course they're dragging this out. They will continue to until its economically favorable to settle either due to a failed economy or labor strife hurting profits.