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04-21-2022, 02:55 PM

#221

Margaritaville

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Originally Posted by IFartInYourSeat

The TPNx one-on-one with a recruiter signup is pretty telling for Allegiant. The default number of spots for one-on-ones per 15 minute session is 4 pilots. Many of the slots are still at 3 to 4 openings on both days. The only other carrier that matches those vacancies is Spirt, but they seem to have a little bit more interest. I’d like to see G4 a place that can attract new talent, but the flat out difference in pay and options is enough to only apply to get the type then leave.

Never mind being bottom of the list in a rural, non-commutable base. My thoughts at least.

G4 is very soon going to end up in the recruiting position of Great Lakes a year or two before they shut down. Only attracting very low timers looking to avoid the regionals or those that have a lot of skeletons in their closet and can't get hired anywhere else. A few flint natives. When those run out the shrinking begins. Management's reputation in the industry had been solidified beginning with the spite furlough. Every memo Tracy or Fishface sends gets leaked and enhances their notoriety.

04-22-2022, 06:39 AM

#222

Yohan64

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Hello aviators. Thanks for your help in advance.
I just completed 1 year at regionals. With 2200 TT, 600 Turbine 121. Last week I received a CJO with Allegiant. Unlike many, I am okay to be based in ABE. My end goal is definitely mainline. But to flow is 5 year minimum. What are your thoughts on me accepting the CJO instead of waiting long for the flow? With a new contract due and A320 time early in my career, is it a bad gig? Also can someone give an insight on a realistic FO salary. Cheers!

04-22-2022, 07:15 AM

#223

Margaritaville

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Originally Posted by Yohan64

The only issue I can think of is that if mainline is your goal 121 PIC will help you and you won't get that at allegiant. However if you're at an AA regional and your goal is AA (or same with Delta) you may be better to leave since they are slowing hiring from their regionals. First year pay at G4 you will probably make about 60K second year about 100K in a junior base. As for whether it's a "good gig" search this forum.

04-22-2022, 08:20 AM

#224

trvsmrtn

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Originally Posted by Yohan64

If you’re at one of AAs regionals, I’ve heard that if you reach out to the AA chief pilots and show them your CJO, they’ll get you an interview.

04-22-2022, 08:24 AM

#225

tailendcharlie

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Just my 2 cents worth PIC time is far more valuable for the resume than SIC in a A320. You won’t upgrade anytime soon at Allegiant and a new contract is likely years away.

04-22-2022, 09:28 AM

#226

Earthboundmsfit

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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie

Just my 2 cents worth PIC time is far more valuable for the resume than SIC in a A320. You won’t upgrade anytime soon at Allegiant and a new contract is likely years away.

That certainly used to be true but there are a lot of FO's even at the regionals being hired at the legacies without TPIC. Having a type in something larger than an RJ will help just as much, or at least almost as much when it comes to moving onto a legacy or 2nd tier major like JB or SWA.

04-22-2022, 09:30 AM

#227

FreshWater

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yohan64

You should not leave your current regional until you have at least upgraded. And garnered some PIC; at least 500hrs. That CJO from G4 is worthless. You should call them up and say you need more time at your regional. Then, if Allegiant is still here and if ABE is still a base apply again. This place will certainly give you another CJO. G4 is that desperate and will be for a very longtime if it’s still here in the next few years.

04-22-2022, 09:56 AM

#228

tom11011

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yohan64

I would say if you WANT to live in ABE then accept the position. We need pilots, all the airlines do. Flying the Airbus at Allegiant for more money then your regional is a step up, anyone can understand that career move. On the flip side, its really hard to say what this place is going to look like in a year. Allegiant has a very limited window to right this broken ship. There are so many problems here that seemingly hold this place back from being something great. Everyone has an opinion, but this place is not like all the others that's for sure.

04-22-2022, 10:39 AM

#229

Margaritaville

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Originally Posted by tom11011

There are so many problems here that seemingly hold this place back from being something great. Everyone has an opinion, but this place is not like all the others that's for sure.

The biggest problem is the management team that puts spite and hatred of pilots above all else, even above making money. it's almost like they want to intentionally tank the Allegiant 2.0 they have built since 2014 and go back to subsistence flying from Florida and Vegas to one horse towns in square states and just need an excuse.

04-22-2022, 11:35 AM

#230

Flightaware

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You got a CJO here because you are woefully under qualified to work anywhere else and the company knows they can trap you, if you come here you won’t fly much and mainline likely won’t touch you until you have a couple thousand more hours which would likely be 4-5 years at the pace we fly. Don’t come here unless you wanna stay here.