captnate702

if it doesn’t pay out then we won’t ratify. Plain and simple. This is much ado about nothing.

What’s worrisome is that the NC is telling people that we don’t have anymore dates with the NMB…and yet they are saying we aren’t close to getting to released.

Not sure what that is about but it’s sounds like our NC might have ****ed off the NMB and now the teamsters are on timeout.

Again I am projecting a little here, no one from the NC told me they are on timeout. Only that we have no dates scheduled for now and that its not because we are getting released.

pipercub

The Greg to Greg email exchange was in reference to company managment telling pilots that the company wanted to pay the bonus now? The CEO response was that the company pay per the agreement. That any change to that would have to be discussed at the Neg Table. This seems strange since the entire bonus was agreed to away from the contract Neg. So it seems all the chatter from the company reps was again just noise attempting to get pilots to think that it is all the unions fault we do not have a deal. The problem is the Company wants the deal the emailed all the pilots and the union will not except that because that is not any way close to a deal the pilots could be proud of.

pipercub

No New scheduled meetings can be as simple as the 3 parties have yet to discuse new dates that they are all available to.
At some point is progress is not being made and each side is still far apart. NMB will have discussions with the sides coming up with ways to bridge those gaps. If more Neg dates in the NMB will not make any forward progress they may not schedule new dates. This may not reflect that either side as done anything wrong. If the union NB and leader can not come towards the company because this would be a consesion to industry norms and averages and the company is not willing to go up to those. Then we are techincally at an impass.

I really comes down to if IBT can use their influence politacally to get the NMB board to agree that further NMB guided Neg will not be effective and let the system work by releasing us to 30 day cooling.

tailendcharlie

I doubt you're going to see the NMB declare an impasse when they've barely begun to tackle the difficult part of the contract with multiple contentious sections open. An impasse and strike with that much work yet to be done quite possibly leads to the liquidation of the company. The RLA is designed to prevent strikes and resultant harm to shareholders.

This will drag on for years until both sides are equally motivated to reach a reasonable agreement.

pipercub

It can take years yes, but the question is how many more Neg will the NMB allow with no to little progress on this one section. If NMB process can not get a TA on this section thats an impass and going to another section that is harder is pointless.

It is time for IBT to showing what the full backing of the Teamsters can or can not do.

Noneofit

In the ongoing saga of Allegiant’s union negotiations, the current union leadership team seems to lack both negotiation experience and awareness, particularly regarding the pressing reality that time remains an unfavorable ally for pilots. Yet, the broader pilot community also holds some responsibility, as they continue to harbour ambitions of parity in pay and treatment akin to their counterparts at major airlines—an aspiration that remains elusive.

Allegiant stands poised for swift expansion without needing a new contract, as evidenced by a large pool of potential hires and enough upgraders willing to change base. The likelihood is that the eventual pay package will mirror existing salaries (plus retention bonus). Given the current low turnover rates within the pilot group, the adage 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' should tell us that it’s the pilot group and not the management, that suffers most in further delays in contract negotiations

Unless the union changes gears, it’s safe to assume that a new contract might not materialise until 2027. By then, we can expect that accrued retention bonuses will be disbursed over a period of 12 to 18 months, forming a portion of the agreement.

jimmy8

yes I understand but there’s no way it’d pass if it wasn’t getting paid out (unless of course they offer something insane like $500/hr) and it’d be suicide for the union

jimmy8

the real sad thing is I’m a fairly senior FO and I can’t even afford to buy a house in the area I live in. Management doesn’t give a **** about us or our living conditions

CptGSXR

The company will never care about any employee group. The problem is the union doesnt either. Did the company not already offer Alaska rates plus fixes to bidding seniority and DC with LTD? So the argumennt is what exaclty? Giving up on all that to get what? Rules that only help the top1% of Cpts in certain bases? Sounds like Toonster logic. Drag this on to the point where the company CANT pay the retention bonus and screw everyone so 10 pilots can horde all the VFNs. Glad an unelected Toonster gets to decide what is best for G4 pilots while he activly tries to destroy the company he has an axe to grind with.

jimmy8

no they didn’t offer anything near Alaska TATE’s unless you’re a year 12 captain. LTD was an absolute joke (still 4K shy of standard, plus 401k contribution and keeping benefits)