Contract negotiations
04-17-2022, 10:57 AM
#211
Kabuki Kool
Joined APC: Jul 2016
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As I predicted. 2 to 3 years until the next contract is a minimum time. I hope this doesn’t curtail management’s ability to attract lowest paid ultra low cost airline pilots. So, looks like a slow roll out of Plan B? Quite honestly, I’m glad to see the small mid-continent base strategy fall on its A$$. It was a stupid idea to begin with. And it will get worse for these little bases, expect closures since our union is going to hold the line; full package deal or shove it.
04-17-2022, 11:17 AM
#212
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Position: A320 CA
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If we don’t have a deal in 5 years then the entire EXCO will be voted out, the Airline Division will step in and take over bargaining. 6 years for Section 6 negotiations would be black eye for the IBT and they would takeover all negotiations. Even tho we have our own local, IBT still owns our bargaining rights…
It won’t be quick, but it won’t be 6 or 7 years. Nobody that stays here would give our EXCO that much leeway. No amount of excuses and blaming if management can justify $300k in lost comp.
04-17-2022, 11:19 AM
#213
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Position: A320 CA
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As I predicted. 2 to 3 years until the next contract is a minimum time. I hope this doesn’t curtail management’s ability to attract lowest paid ultra low cost airline pilots. So, looks like a slow roll out of Plan B? Quite honestly, I’m glad to see the small mid-continent base strategy fall on its A$$. It was a stupid idea to begin with. And it will get worse for these little bases, expect closures since our union is going to hold the line; full package deal or shove it.
04-17-2022, 12:20 PM
#214
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,170
'We're just going to try to do an end run around the nasty union and negotiate directly with the pilots. Oh and don't be thinking you're Delta pilots either, you don't deserve that. We're Unique! Avelo. That's your peer. Happy Easter!"
Love,
Maury and Tracy
Love,
Maury and Tracy
04-17-2022, 12:34 PM
#215
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 5
I mean, seriously, they obviously knew this would be the reaction, right? Did they think this was going to be well received? At least now there is no question about what management thinks we’re worth, AND we know exactly who is at the table for them. Exciting.
04-18-2022, 11:39 AM
#216
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 36
I hate to break this to you, but the companies last term sheet has apparently been leaked by someone (many suspect the company has leaked it). From what I have heard the term sheet is very small and only encompasses a few items, ie as many suspected all along they want to throw money at the pilots and forget about the rest. Pay rates are identical to Sun Country with slight variations. Retirement is 11% with a slow escalation to max of 15 after a few years. No work rule fixes and in some cases relaxing of a few of the rules we have now. Basically, the top 300 in the company can benefit because most of the contract doesn't affect them. The bottom 100 plus people who haven't even been hired yet (those who don't know pain yet) will only see the pay scales to be happy.
You aren’t breaking anything to anyone. Everyone knows that this is the target of the company, and they’ve even been transparent about that. What I’m saying is that it won’t be enough. Anyone that votes yes on it is a full
04-18-2022, 01:50 PM
#217
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04-18-2022, 02:09 PM
#218
Kabuki Kool
Joined APC: Jul 2016
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Our new hire FOs will be for a very longtime; Ultra Lowest Paid, ultra low cost pilots. In Flint?
04-21-2022, 02:36 PM
#220
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 74
Never mind being bottom of the list in a rural, non-commutable base. My thoughts at least.
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